All charges dropped

**rastuscat** · 16th June 2011, 07:55

I keep reading how we are so focussed on speed. About how we do all we can to write every speed ticket we ever can.

For the record, there are sections of Popo who do bugger all speed work. For example, my section deals with the D&F offences, which are largely the ones that cause the crashes. Offences are each given a code, and are grouped into series. D&F offences tend to be the stop signs, traffic lights, failing to give way type things. Following too close is another, but that doesn't get enough attention.

Speed work is important, given that when someone fails to give way to you, it's better to be going 50 than 60. But it's the FGW that needs attention too.

Fair to say that generalising Popos as speed focussed is like generalising KB folk as all belonging to one particular group. What you'll do is piss the majority off who don't belong to that group.

If you want to put me in a group, call it the D&F & restraints group. Basic, roadcraft offences.

Harumph.

**oneofsix** · 16th June 2011, 08:12

Originally Posted by rastuscat

I keep reading how we are so focussed on speed. About how we do all we can to write every speed ticket we ever can.

For the record, there are sections of Popo who do bugger all speed work. For example, my section deals with the D&F offences, which are largely the ones that cause the crashes. Offences are each given a code, and are grouped into series. D&F offences tend to be the stop signs, traffic lights, failing to give way type things. Following too close is another, but that doesn't get enough attention.

Speed work is important, given that when someone fails to give way to you, it's better to be going 50 than 60. But it's the FGW that needs attention too.

Fair to say that generalising Popos as speed focussed is like generalising KB folk as all belonging to one particular group. What you'll do is piss the majority off who don't belong to that group.

If you want to put me in a group, call it the D&F & restraints group. Basic, roadcraft offences.

Harumph.

Nice of you to nail your colours to the mask, I respect the work. The Police get painted that way because of these speed campaigns. I know someone will start a thread based on this but when your minister, and yes because the word police is in the title people then think

and not politician, say stupid shit like this "A zero tolerance on speeding to cut road deaths should be extended, the police minister says." http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...g-all-the-time. It is going to get people angry because it goes against the unbiased research. The D-F section will just get busier as people focus more on their speed or alternatively say Fuck-it, wear the ticket and the number of unlicenced drivers increases. The anger and lack of respect for the group in the front line handing out the tickets will of course increase so good luck dealing with those hotheaded drunks at the next party/pub raid in the weekends.
Judith Colin is a

as is Nick Smith. Umm is there a political party theme here

**MSTRS:Me** · 16th June 2011, 08:34

Originally Posted by rastuscat

I keep reading how we are so focussed on speed. About how we do all we can to write every speed ticket we ever can.

Because they are the most visible...fixed cameras, camera vans, instant-on radars, handheld radars, TV ads, roadside billboards.

Originally Posted by rastuscat

For the record, there are sections of Popo who do bugger all ... roadcraft offences.

No doubt they exist as well...

Harumph, indeed.

**Ocean1** · 16th June 2011, 09:09

Originally Posted by oneofsix

Judith Colin is a

as is Nick Smith. Umm is there a political party theme here

She says it's a police initiative.

Originally Posted by Judith Collins

But the experts are the police, not me.

Originally Posted by Police Commissioner Peter Marshall

During the 1970s, more than 750 people died on the roads every year. "Whatever is happening, we are doing very well and unless something extraordinary happens we are in for a stellar year in this context.

Is there any point in telling him what did actually happened to cause that improvement?

Originally Posted by Police Commissioner Peter Marshall

"we are not going to give up on this one."

Apparently not, the facts don't influence their behaviour. Surprise surprise.

They know they're supposed to be there for US, and they know this isn't what the majority want, that's why they constantly fabricate evidence to support their bullshit:

Originally Posted by Judith Collins

"I hear a great deal of support for it, after it was shown to be successful in those long weekends," Ms Collins told Parliament's law and order select committee."

Like I said, fuckem.

**oneofsix** · 16th June 2011, 09:15

Originally Posted by Ocean1

She says it's a police initiative.

Like I said, fuckem.

Politician spin. as she is the "minister of police" when she says it is become a police initiative.

Now Ms Collins has suggested the policy, which she described as staggeringly successful, should be broadened beyond long weekends.

Doesn't sound like it came from the police to me.

And Police Commissioner Peter Marshall said police were assessing their approach and the idea was not "beyond the possibility".

Translates to not having enough guts to to stand up to the minister so his staff can do a proper job.

**scumdog** · 16th June 2011, 09:23

Originally Posted by rastuscat

I keep reading how we are so focussed on speed. About how we do all we can to write every speed ticket we ever can.

For the record, there are sections of Popo who do bugger all speed work. For example, my section deals with the D&F offences, which are largely the ones that cause the crashes. Offences are each given a code, and are grouped into series. D&F offences tend to be the stop signs, traffic lights, failing to give way type things. Following too close is another, but that doesn't get enough attention.

Speed work is important, given that when someone fails to give way to you, it's better to be going 50 than 60. But it's the FGW that needs attention too.

Fair to say that generalising Popos as speed focussed is like generalising KB folk as all belonging to one particular group. What you'll do is piss the majority off who don't belong to that group.

If you want to put me in a group, call it the D&F & restraints group. Basic, roadcraft offences.

Harumph.

Sums up my thoughts too.

BTW: The last ticket I wrote (and the first ticket for nearly a week) was for parking on the incorrect side of the road.

The one before it was for a dingus not wearing a seatbelt.

Is that ok with you Jack???

**scumdog** · 16th June 2011, 09:25

Originally Posted by oneofsix

"A zero tolerance on speeding

Hell next thing it will be zero tolerance on drink-driving too...

**oneofsix** · 16th June 2011, 09:27

Originally Posted by scumdog

Sums up my thoughts too.

BTW: The last ticket I wrote (and the first ticket for nearly a week) was for parking on the incorrect side of the road.

The one before it was for a dingus not wearing a seatbelt.

Is that ok with you Jack???

come yee to Paraparaumu, you could meet your target for the year to come writing out tickets for parking on the wrong side of the road. Do the retards not realise the reflectors are in their tail lights? and how do they get there without driving on the wrong side of the road?

**Swoop** · 16th June 2011, 09:45

Originally Posted by Jack Miller

However, like most motorists (AA data) I get a bit annoyed when stuck behind someone who is driving in breach of section 2.1(2) and I wish you'd take some time out of enforcing the speed limit to enforce 2.1(2) with the same vigor:
"If a driver’s speed, when driving, is such as to impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic, that driver must, as soon as is reasonably practicable, move the vehicle as far as practicable to the left side of the roadway when this is necessary to allow following traffic to pass." 2.1.(2)

If that rule ever gets applied in NZ, an officer's quota could be filled within half an hour (on most roads).

But, as we all know, "speed kills".

**scumdog** · 16th June 2011, 10:24

Originally Posted by Swoop

But, as we all know, "speed kills".

Got to be true - I've seen that mentioned on KB more than anywhere else - and we all know if it's on KB it must be true!

**Beren** · 16th June 2011, 10:26

I really love the dumb ass nature of most of the comment on here it makes for wonderful reading. Someone shares a valuable story about how to succesfully fight a ticket they thought they had been given unfairly. Awesome - valuable background information if we ever get the same issue. Whinging on about speed not being a factor in accidents - DUMB SODDING STUPIDITY.

On certain roads that are 100 and 80km/h limits I have been averaging over 110 for the last 6 weeks. Therefore if I have an accident it will be reasonable to suggest that speed wont be the cause. It is pretty bloody obvious though that if I am cranked over going round a corner at 130ish and then a sheep jumps out and molests me that I am going to have a more serious prang than if I was doing 80. Tis physics Jim. SPEED MIGHT NOT BE THE CAUSE - IT WILL LAND ME DEEPER IN THE SHIT THOUGH.

A real life Traffic cop sharing his general agreement with the fact that they don't think speed is as important a rule and sharing his frustrations about actually dumb shit drivers being unsafe on a Motorbike Forum - Awesome. Laying into the poor bugger and doing your best to alienate a copper that might be the one that next pulls you over. ARE YOU GUYS COMPLETELY MENTAL? Do you want inside info about what policies and mentalities drive the Police here, I do - and I hope that retards being abusive to coppers on here don't drive away a really awesome source of information - not to mention potential fun person to learn something off one day.

Now I don't drink AT ALL and ride - I won't have more than a few if I am going to be riding the next morning. I make sure I am in bed early enough not to be riding knackered. Because I am riding at a reasonable pace for my skill level I am paying proper attention to the road not trying to text or do my make-up. Nor do I have a whining kid in the back taking up some of my attention. So in my mind I am riding at a speed that is perfectly safe. Being as I am riding on L plates do I expect to get away with it... Nope. Do I wish that the police would spend more time on patrol finding dangerous people to pull over rather than sat in unmarked vans writing speeding tickets - hell yes.

For what it's worth if the police made the 2 second rule law (assuming it's not because virtually no-one seems to pay it any attention!) then people would have room to react to speed. If they added to that people actually using their bloody indicators before starting to manouver then it would rule out far more. Start a campaign with half a dozen cop cars doing a loop of the motorway enforcing those rules for a while, as well as stamping down on other careless activity and perhaps it would ripple out slowly.

**Scuba_Steve** · 16th June 2011, 10:33

Originally Posted by scumdog

Hell next thing it will be zero tolerance on drink-driving too...

Thought there already was unless you were a cop, judge, celebrity or politician

**MSTRS:Me** · 16th June 2011, 10:43

Originally Posted by Beren

On certain roads that are 100 and 80km/h limits I have been averaging over 110 for the last 6 weeks. ... if I am cranked over going round a corner at 130ish...I am riding at a reasonable pace for my skill level ...I am riding on L plates...

Maybe you are a perfectly capable rider, but your licence-class says you are not. And yet you 'berate' the police for not doing more about the multitude of other-than-speed offences out there.