All charges dropped

[Jack Miller]

I have been murdered twice actually thank god im not dead eh?
If you complain about speeding tickets your just another bleeding heart victim arn't you. Because it couldn't possibly be that you were speeding could it?
If the cop pings you doing 111 km/h your still speeding, its still your fault.

I also rather think i have done the kms to get a ""Bogus"" ticket if such a thing is a regular occurrence. I live in chch and travel via car and soon by motorbike to katikati up in the north island usually do this twice to three times a year. I also quite frequently travel up to whanagrei where i also have family.
So therefor you arguement is still moot. You got a ticket suck it up stop blaming the popo for doing there job.

Guess you haven't actually read the thread, or even the message you quote. A regular commute plus a few trips the length of the country each year won't get you any where near 6 million kms, even if you live to 100. You'd have to do 1400kms every week for 80 years!

As for blaming the Popo, I'm doing no more than the Popo's own superiors did - he shouldn't have issued the ticket. They dropped the charges.

[Brian d marge]

Cool discussion.

So, how do we enforce inappropriate speed?

It might not be over the limit, but it might be totally stupid. How do we enforce that?

How do I then convince a judge that it was inappropriate? Worse yet, how do I convince the JPs?

I know it can be done, but the process is a beast, and to be avoided. So it is.

For example, I come across an idiot riding at 70 km/h in a 100km/h zone through fog thicker than a whale omelette. I issue the ticket, coz it's bloody stupid. The ticket would be for careless driving, as it can't be for exceeding the speed limit.

The subject then posts on KB about the gross injustice of getting a ticket for 70 in a 100 km/h area. We all work ourselves into a lather about revenue collecting, and the Popos get hammered yet again. The post rolls out to 17 pages about injustice and how common sense had died.

Then I have to get in front of the JPs and convince them that it really was too fast. And the poor, poor subject prostrates himself on the altar of justice and pleads innocence because he was doing less than the speed limit.

Cool. Yeah, I need that like I need a hole in the head.

So, how do we avert this?

Seeing you wouldn't let me use my oyster knife , aka my last suggestion

how bout this one

Fog , ,,,,,,,idiot going to fast , ,,,,,u issue a ticket for dangerous driving , she , or he says not

you produce ........ drum roll ........... for affect ..........( or is it effect ?) ........ evidence such as a photo , or the weather report for that day

just a thought


now as to speeding

back when I was walking in front of my motoring carriage , with the red flag.... the national speed limits were a touch out of fashion

now in the 21st century , they are still out of whack

the research has all ready been done , the answers ARE known and have been presented here before
so , if the great Circumlocution office in wellington was so fired up about reducing the death rate they would review the road infrastructure and its speed

its in the the too hard basket and the easiest way is just to slap a blanket ban , and fine the arse out of the bad people that do that bad thing called speeding , ( btw hitting a power pole at 99km/h and 104km/h ...I always assumed the result was the same ) anyway....

makes money , easy to implement , great mirth had by all


why change?

Stephen

buggered off , now live in a country less like an Orwellian state , regularly exceed the speed limit , and still fighting fit ...... they dont care if I die ( as they dont pay for the bill) , so they leave me in peace ...all good

[Parlane]

btw hitting a power pole at 99km/h and 104km/h ...I always assumed the result was the same ) anyway....

To be honest, I'd rather hit the power pole at 104... But if the other object was another car, I'd rather it be 99...

I don't so much care about my own life, but I definitely respect others.

[Brian d marge]

To be honest, I'd rather hit the power pole at 104... But if the other object was another car, I'd rather it be 99...

I don't so much care about my own life, but I definitely respect others.

I'm sure you can sort it out between you both, you will of course have eternity to conduct your affairs

Stephen

[Hamel]

"Some people will tell you that slow is good – but I’m here to tell you that fast is better. I’ve always believed this, in spite of the trouble it’s caused me. Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba…"
— Hunter S. Thompson (Kingdom of Fear: Loathsome Secrets of a Star-crossed Child in the Final Days of the American Century)

And that is why I ride them.

[Jack Miller]

A close friend got ticketed passing in a passing lane last week. We'll be getting him off. Updates here as they occur.

[Hamel]

A close friend got ticketed passing in a passing lane last week. We'll be getting him off. Updates here as they occur.

We? Who is(sic) this we you refer to? I could use some help in a similar vein... Read below. To give you some background, I was stopped doing 11km over the limit just south of Blenheim. I denied I was speeding. The cop told me he had a mobile GPS speed camera which had taken my photo and there was no disputing it.

The letter I read reads:

Informant
New Zealand Police
P O Box 9147
Wellington

01 October, 2011

Re Traffic Infringement Notice Number PVXXXXXX


Dear Sir/Madam

I was advised by the officer who issued the above infringement notice that I was apprehended by a mobile GPS speed camera unit which he had in his car. I disputed the infringement at the time and queried the accuracy of the device. The officer invited me to write in for a copy of the photograph, which identified both my motorcycle, logged my speed at the time of the alleged offence and recorded his own speed, for verification.

I have cause to believe that the officer may have misled me as to the nature of the device by which I was apprehended allegedly exceeding the speed limit, and query whether such a device is an approved vehicle surveillance device.

I would like to request full and complete disclosure with respect to this alleged infringement, including a copy of the photo proving the alleged infringement.

I look forward to your reply.


Yours faithfully,

etc

I got a letter back saying I had been caught by a HAWK (some info was attached) and that I had admitted to speeding. (I did not!) it was an approved device and the payment date wouldnt change. I was debating going to court over it when a couple of days later the letter saying I had to pay court costs arrived.

So we have a traffic-cop (I wouldnt insult the 'real' Police but calling him a Policeman) who has lied twice. I wonder what else he lied about. My speed perhaps?

Now that I have to pay a court fine, is it worth going the whole er... hog and going to a defended hearing? Normally I wouldnt bother (especially not now as my business was wrecked in the Earthquakes) but I'm so pissed off by the lies this guy has told that I'm very motivated to have my day.

How much more would it cost? Any advice would be appreciated. From the KB public that is.

[oneofsix]

We? Who is(sic) this we you refer to? I could use some help in a similar vein... Read below. To give you some background, I was stopped doing 11km over the limit just south of Blenheim. I denied I was speeding. The cop told me he had a mobile GPS speed camera which had taken my photo and there was no disputing it.

The letter I read reads:

Informant
New Zealand Police
P O Box 9147
Wellington

01 October, 2011

Re Traffic Infringement Notice Number PVXXXXXX


Dear Sir/Madam

I was advised by the officer who issued the above infringement notice that I was apprehended by a mobile GPS speed camera unit which he had in his car. I disputed the infringement at the time and queried the accuracy of the device. The officer invited me to write in for a copy of the photograph, which identified both my motorcycle, logged my speed at the time of the alleged offence and recorded his own speed, for verification.

I have cause to believe that the officer may have misled me as to the nature of the device by which I was apprehended allegedly exceeding the speed limit, and query whether such a device is an approved vehicle surveillance device.

I would like to request full and complete disclosure with respect to this alleged infringement, including a copy of the photo proving the alleged infringement.

I look forward to your reply.


Yours faithfully,

etc

I got a letter back saying I had been caught by a HAWK (some info was attached) and that I had admitted to speeding. (I did not!) it was an approved device and the payment date wouldnt change. I was debating going to court over it when a couple of days later the letter saying I had to pay court costs arrived.

So we have a traffic-cop (I wouldnt insult the 'real' Police but calling him a Policeman) who has lied twice. I wonder what else he lied about. My speed perhaps?

Now that I have to pay a court fine, is it worth going the whole er... hog and going to a defended hearing? Normally I wouldnt bother (especially not now as my business was wrecked in the Earthquakes) but I'm so pissed off by the lies this guy has told that I'm very motivated to have my day.

How much more would it cost? Any advice would be appreciated. From the KB public that is.

You will note the letter advising of the court costs etc came from the courts, contact them they will give you the procedure to reverse that bit, think you have to make a declaration or some such.

[The Pastor]

it will cost your time,

be prepared for multiple court visits (might just be 1, but could be more if they are busy).

if found guilty you will be charged fine + $130 court costs. (unless this has gone up since i was last in court)

If you are found innocent, you wont get anything.

[The Pastor]

A close friend got ticketed passing in a passing lane last week. We'll be getting him off. Updates here as they occur.

look forward to it

[baffa]

I kinda wish I was a cop so I could follow Jack Miller around ticketing him for being a douche.

[davereid]

Now that I have to pay a court fine, is it worth going the whole er... hog and going to a defended hearing? Normally I wouldnt bother (especially not now as my business was wrecked in the Earthquakes) but I'm so pissed off by the lies this guy has told that I'm very motivated to have my day.

Take your lead from the police.

If they beat a man up in the cells on video they plead not guilty.
If they do a u turn in front of a biker they plead not guilty.
If they sexually assault a woman they plead not guilty.

I always plead not guilty too.

100% success rate so far. Your mileage may vary.

[Jack Miller]

We? Who is(sic) this we you refer to? I could use some help in a similar vein... Read below. To give you some background, I was stopped doing 11km over the limit just south of Blenheim. I denied I was speeding. Any advice would be appreciated. From the KB public that is.

My real interest is limited to ticketing on passing lanes because I genuinely believe that it is dangerous, promotes bad driving (and Paula Rose agrees with me on this point - at least in the case of identifiable, visible speed cameras) and wastes the taxpayer's investment in passing lanes. You weren't passing so my method and detail aren't entirely applicable. However, if the cop really lied and you definitely denied the charge at the time he deserves some form of punishment and you fighting back is as good as any. These folks are likely to be more use to you than I could:
www.aussiespeedingfines.com


Good Luck,
Jack

[Jack Miller]

I kinda wish I was a cop so I could follow Jack Miller around ticketing him for being a douche.

They wouldn't have you.

[Jack Miller]

...be prepared for multiple court visits...

Not necessarily true. Hearings have been scheduled for me and I have received summons to attend. However I always replied to the summons along the lines of: "Please reschedule my hearing to a later date as I have not yet received the essential information I requested from the Police." The Court has always agreed and the Police have never provided the information. More than once I learned that the Police had turned up ready to make their case only to be sent away again by the Court. On one occasion they even dragged along their witness, who must have felt quite vexed.

Good luck,
Jack