All charges dropped

**phill-k** · 15th December 2011, 09:23

In reading this thread the thing that saddens me about the lack of real debate on here from those that are into having such rather than all the bullshit replies is the way those such as Arostcrat seem to have no shades of gray, its either black or white, "were you exceeding the speed limit and thus committing an offence or not" where there is clearly legislation as referenced earlier that provides for his circumstances and he clearly demonstrated to the courts that he was on the correct side of the law.

We have one of the finest police forces in the world, some of whom have the task of monitoring and assisting road users to comply with the road code, they issue many many thousands of tickets, surely some of those tickets must be a little questionable, they said officers can not be 100% correct all the time.

In the last month or so I have received 2 speeding infringement notices, the first in nearly 20 yrs, I'm going to comment on both here,

firstly I was clocked at 118km on a three lane section of the northern motorway heading south this was a long incline approximately 2km with the outside lane existing, in the middle lane was an un marked vehicle leading a line of 15 or so cars I was in the "fast lane overtaking these vehicles but had observed a speed camera on the other side of the motorway, quickly there after became aware of a 4x4 in the middle lane towing a trailer full of large sheets of cardboard, the cardboard was not secured into the trailer. I accelerated past the trailer deeming it a risk to my health then slowed, noticing the car at the lead had lights in its rear window, checked my GPS speed and went past them at 105km slowed to 102km as I was in front of them, they pulled in behind me and so I changed lanes at which time they put their lights on. Two officers in the car and as I slowed to a stop pointed vigorously at the 4x4, the passenger acknowledged to me he observed the 4x4 and trailer.

After a discussion I asked to see the observed speed it was as follows: My speed 118kms the police car 94km you be the judge. I don't have time to battle these things and paid the fine.

The serious offence was a speed camera ticket going through Wellsford -^64km in a 50km this one is serious because obviously you have to pass the van and I had not observed such van which means I had dropped my scanning for hazards, that bothers me, I had been down to Ak from Whangarei do a lot of running round and then heading home, obviously I was tired and had dropped my defences. I paid the speed tax.

**oneofsix** · 15th December 2011, 09:38

Originally Posted by phill-k

The serious offence was a speed camera ticket going through Wellsford -^64km in a 50km this one is serious because obviously you have to pass the van and I had not observed such van which means I had dropped my scanning for hazards, that bothers me, I had been down to Ak from Whangarei do a lot of running round and then heading home, obviously I was tired and had dropped my defences. I paid the speed tax.

I don't disagree with you but think you should allow yourself a little grey on the last. They are allowed to hid the vans now and it may not have been parked where you would not observe it as a risk.

Not knowing the full facts and taking you at your word, you look like a trustworthy fellow, it appears the police made a poor judgement call in going after the lesser danger. But that is the nature of judgement calls, it's all in the eye of the beholder, and this is what the court system is meant to be there to smooth out, expect I notice in the guise of cost cutting etc we are in the process of pricing the courts out of the reach of the normal person yet again, bring back transportation to the colonies.

**Ocean1** · 15th December 2011, 10:34

Originally Posted by phill-k

We have one of the finest police forces in the world, some of whom have the task of monitoring and assisting road users to comply with the road code, they issue many many thousands of tickets, surely some of those tickets must be a little questionable, they said officers can not be 100% correct all the time.

I’ve been righteously pinged maybe a dozen times, I’ve accepted the consequences.

I've been to court just once to challenge a traffic fine. It wasn't a biggie, I just though he was wrong and wanted a chance to say what I thought had happened. The officer in question lied, like a sausage in fat, no resemblance to the facts as I knew them to have occurred. I got no actual justice at all, just a bad taste.

Since then I’ve been incorrectly pinged a further two times. Like most others I now see it as just a random tax.

My brother has had the same experience at court, twice.

See it doesn’t matter how fine the force is if our experience of it is seriously unethical in 100% of the cases where we know the actual facts and happen disagree with them.

Somehow I manage to disconnect the cops I know personally from the dishonest ones, but a strike rate like that is indicative of something slightly odious in the state of NZ.

**The Pastor** · 15th December 2011, 10:56

Originally Posted by Ocean1

I’ve been righteously pinged maybe a dozen times, I’ve accepted the consequences.

I've been to court just once to challenge a traffic fine. It wasn't a biggie, I just though he was wrong and wanted a chance to say what I thought had happened. The officer in question lied, like a sausage in fat, no resemblance to the facts as I knew them to have occurred. I got no actual justice at all, just a bad taste.

Since then I’ve been incorrectly pinged a further two times. Like most others I now see it as just a random tax.

My brother has had the same experience at court, twice.

See it doesn’t matter how fine the force is if our experience of it is seriously unethical in 100% of the cases where we know the actual facts and happen disagree with them.

Somehow I manage to disconnect the cops I know personally from the dishonest ones, but a strike rate like that is indicative of something slightly odious in the state of NZ.

they will always lie in court

**Jack Miller** · 15th December 2011, 23:03

Originally Posted by renegade master

they will always lie in court

Wonder why we don't see them getting done for perjury very often.

**scumdog** · 16th December 2011, 05:22

Originally Posted by renegade master

they will always lie in court

Wow, I wish somebody had told me that years ago - it would make my job SO much simpler..

**topit** · 16th December 2011, 05:31

I dont know how many times I hear whingers talking about how unfair they have been treated by the cops and how they didnt deserve a ticket but they saw some other idiot that did. they need to shut up and front up they are that idiot.
What a crock and as far as the highway man wasting court time and some poor innocent witness what a plonker. Grow some nuts and grow up

**topit** · 16th December 2011, 06:09

Originally Posted by scumdog

Wow, I wish somebody had told me that years ago - it would make my job SO much simpler..

Hi Scum dog
saw your name on the list for that new group thats getting started at the moment.
Imay see more of you

**oneofsix** · 16th December 2011, 06:32

Originally Posted by scumdog

Wow, I wish somebody had told me that years ago - it would make my job SO much simpler..

You know I've always been told it is harder to lie than tie the truth. Putting that together with your comment implies it would have made your job easier by knowing the others were doing it too

The truth as one witness sees it is never the same as the way the other see it. That said I can't say I have been meet with total honesty and interest in getting the fact right by some in the force.

Still to the

that pulled me over this week due to a report of bad behaviour

, me? bad behaviour on the bike! really?

Over taking on double yellows inside the yellow but the cager reported me for crossing in to opposing traffic, yeah if I had done that I would be lucky if I was writing this from a hospital bed. Crickey one cager even gave me enough room to pass in the WRB and another gave me half the lane just south of Paraparaumu, also just south of where I was pulled over. He really had to give a fella a break, some people just can't be helped, leaving the wallet in the car and therefore no license on me

I would love to know what the ute driver that pulled up told them because they dropped dealing to me, he didn't get to complete the license check I don't think, and took off after a cager.
Note to self and others; The silly season is here, people are making plans and reviewing list, tempers are short, stress is high, the weathers damp with glare, be careful and ride safe.

**Kickaha** · 16th December 2011, 17:38

Originally Posted by renegade master

they will always lie in court

Of course no one that's ever been charged for speeding or any other offence would ever do that

**SMOKEU** · 16th December 2011, 17:46

Originally Posted by topit

I dont know how many times I hear whingers talking about how unfair they have been treated by the cops and how they didnt deserve a ticket but they saw some other idiot that did. they need to shut up and front up they are that idiot.
What a crock and as far as the highway man wasting court time and some poor innocent witness what a plonker. Grow some nuts and grow up

People who are going at 120kmh in a 100kmh zone on a good, long straight road in good conditions in a well maintained vehicle should not be penalized like the IDIOTS who insist on cruising at 80-90kmh, then speeding up in passing lanes so people can't overtake, then slowing down again. What about those idiots who can't keep in their own lane around corners? They are very rarely caught as it's much harder to bust people who do that than people who exceed speed limits.

I'm assuming by your post that you are one of those idiots.

**The Pastor** · 16th December 2011, 18:34

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

I'm assuming by your post that you are one of those idiots.

bet he loves donuts and u turns

**Kickaha** · 16th December 2011, 18:47

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

What about those idiots who can't keep in their own lane around corners? They are very rarely caught as it's much harder to bust people who do that than people who exceed speed limits.

They quite often run campaigns targeting those people
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...-revenue-today

**rastuscat** · 16th December 2011, 19:11

Hi All

Just reading the thread, and it's reassuring to see all the same ol' stuff being written. It must be a bugger living in a world of paranioa.

Same old advice coming from me; don't speed, don't get a speeding ticket.

There are so many people speeding, why would anyone go to the trouble of making it up?

**Ocean1** · 16th December 2011, 19:32

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Of course no one that's ever been charged for speeding or any other offence would ever do that

Oh, well that clears up a wee misaprehension I've been labouring under for years; I thought I had the criminal behaviour narrowed down to the people on the OTHER side of the dock. Carry on.

Originally Posted by rastuscat

There are so many people speeding, why would anyone go to the trouble of making it up?

It's a good question innit?

What's the answer?