BOMBSHELL. MNZ and ACC Trail ride plans

[ktm84mxc]

Right with you Takitimu I regulary compete at MNZ events & have never seen or been tested for noise , It is a requirement of ardmore resource consent the noise tests be carried out & I am seconded in to doing this.
NZDBF opened the door allowing the likes of Greg Power, Nick Reader, Ken Fell, John Britton, Joe Forsythe to operate, MNZ are only trying to close that door & gain control with the resulting revenue it will bring.

[jimbo600]

MNZ bureaucrats fucking up motorsports for all NZ. Ask the BoP guys about them. I've turned up to a few events only to be told to pay day rates that would embarrass dick turpin for an enduro day ride.

Free ride and expression sessions are where its at. Surfers got on to it years ago.

[roy.nz]

Seriously dont the ACC collect enough money from every single transaction we make. Well its gonna be illegal riding for lots of people. So if you dont scan in then ride, fall and get injured, will the ACC go and check if you scanned in, if not they wont pay for your treatment??

We are all doomed by the ACC

[meteor]

...i think they should be making everyone have some form of rego or licence. Particuarlly in the case of people like road cyclists. you hear them complaining...

Not so sure I agree. By this reasoning it would mean all activities need licensing. So to take the extreme view, if I was walking and fell over and went through ACC for medical cover then [arguably] it would be fair for me to be paying for a licence to walk, so therefore anyone walking in NZ should have a licence to walk... and from what I'm reading all riders will need a licence, so any budding 18 month old child thinking about walking should be forced to go get a licence... Yeah that's a real feed on money grabbing arse right there!

[Jay GTI]

The world has gone mad. As for the twats that are running the show -well there s no hope. Im quickly realising that we as the public need to step up a bit and oppose all this shoite beauracracy. Police state crap!!

You are correct, this sorta thing is breeding a whole country full of people that will no longer be able to think for themselves or do anything without asking permission first.

Yes this is a serious issue and it will go through because of the levels of apathy of the general public in NZ. I'd be the first to admit I am as guilty as anyone on this, but yes it is about time we stood up as a collective and did something. Too much is allowed to get through simply because no-one goes any further than an internet whinge.

I have no idea what to do about this, but I hope that we can, as a large group of passionate off roaders, actually get off our arses and do something about this.

[MSTRS:Me]

The claim form does not just ask if a vehicle was involved. It says "did the accident involve a moving vehicle on a public road/driveway or beach?". I'm sure this is answered in error sometimes but "many (most?)" cases? unlikely.

Makes no difference - if a vehicle was involved. The legal definition of a 'road' is anywhere the public has access to whether by right or not. Unless it's an enclosed area that can only be accessed via a locked gate. 'Locked gate' also covers the likes of a race track or paid entry event. Take your unregistered vehicle on a beach or riverbank (for example) and you are guilty of operating an unlicenced vehicle on a public road.

why would you expect to not have to pay the road user ACC levy on your road bike because you are a 'recreational' user? You have not 'paid' your levy already in the earners levy as it does not cover any motor vehicle usage on a public road, recreational or not.

I wouldn't. I merely make the point that dirtbikers don't pay because they are recreational users - and so am I.

Most off my riding mates put down a handy man injury wen filling out an ACC form for a bike injury, that way your always covered.

People wouldn't lie about such things just to ensure cover. Would they?

Too much is allowed to get through simply because no-one goes any further than an internet whinge.

Quite so. But did you miss the fact that what is being discussed here is something that is happening behind closed doors, with no chance of consultation. Something that is becoming increasingly common to avoid the inconvenience of detractors having a chance to stop someone/s agenda/s.

[Jay GTI]

Quite so. But did you miss the fact that what is being discussed here is something that is happening behind closed doors, with no chance of consultation. Something that is becoming increasingly common to avoid the inconvenience of detractors having a chance to stop someone/s agenda/s.

Nope, well aware of that, which is why I have no idea how we can do anything about it. It would be nice to think people would boycott MNZ events and local MCCs would remove their support for them, if people's suspicions are founded, but I can't really see that happening.

[ktm84mxc]

Have spoken to John Cobb at our Club day, yep itz a MNZ rouse to bring the trail biking fraternity into the MNZ fold, this wud explain there views on Helmet age & chest protectors with a back coverage at there recent events I've attended.
The NZDBF welcomes all clubs/groups no questions asked, we even have a Motard club who joined us.
Best for the trailbiking fraternity to write/email ACC saying MNZ does not represent them, it is election year & the nat gov is slashing the public service.

[ktm84mxc]

The whole point off ACC is that it is a NO FAULT coverage eg an inmate who broke his leg trying to escape prison got a lump sum payment for pain & suffering. Tourists are also covered , non residents will be treated & the costs retrieved latter eg you won't be left outside to die because u don't have private coverage.
The ACC coverage is the envy of many country's.
We all pay as a wage earner a portion of your tax goes to ACC funds.

[dave hamilton]

bloody mnz trying to make more cash by talking shit to acc i say boycott mnz they will soon get the message im sure theres away to bum them out of a job and have people with common sense take there place and nake a new organisation im sure some kb people could do it if they wanted to just my thought
oh piss on mnz

[krad_nz]

Can the groups who organise trail rides/races still put on the event without MNZ's involvment? Ie: Get support via NZDBF?

Actually, why do we need the involvement of any official organisation other than those wanting to put on the event, and the land owners permission? (for trail rides anyway).

This is part I don't understand. Does it have to be officially sanctioned by some regulatory organisation for some reason? What is that reason? What are the alternative organisations? Is MNZ the only option?

Can anyone form such an organisation? If so, lets create our own one.

[Kickaha]

This is part I don't understand. Does it have to be officially sanctioned by some regulatory organisation for some reason? What is that reason? What are the alternative organisations? Is MNZ the only option?

I don't understand it either, I haven't ever been on a trail ride where MNZ had any involvement (haven't been on any for a couple of years now though)

[scott411]

The whole point off ACC is that it is a NO FAULT coverage eg an inmate who broke his leg trying to escape prison got a lump sum payment for pain & suffering. Tourists are also covered , non residents will be treated & the costs retrieved latter eg you won't be left outside to die because u don't have private coverage.
The ACC coverage is the envy of many country's.
We all pay as a wage earner a portion of your tax goes to ACC funds.

MNZ have had trail rides in their fold for a long time, our Mr Motorcycles rides have always been run under MNZ permits, however they wanted to put a rider levy in there which would have made us leave, however this has been dropped now due to much pressure from the clubs,

for this liceince to be put forward by MNZ and talked about with ACC is one of the worst abuses of power i have ever seen, the fact that bicycles which casue more injuries than off road bikes do not need to have one is the biggest push,

at least us dirtbikers pay the acc levy on the fuel we use

[rok-the-boat]

IF they pull this off they'll get boats, and then, people - the air your breathe and the water you drink.

[rok-the-boat]

The reason for all this is that the government is spending more than it takes in - millions extra everyday. I say it's time to tackle the problem at source. They need to get their fiscal house in order. Pronto. This cannot continue indefinitely and they have no get-out plan. They need to balance the books and stop bailing out their mates.