The speed limit poll

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=varminter;1130083839]

Funniest thing I saw in the weekend was the driver in front of me hitting the picks to slow down from 60k to 45k when passing a stationery police car in a 70k zone.

Yep, I've noticed that. It's as if drivers think that they get brownie points for going slower than the limit

No, it's because Police cars have a special mystery device that sucks horsepower from any car nearby...

[caseye]

Just watch what yer saying there scumdog, stranger things have happened. Remember Kirks intercom thing. it morphed into a cell phone.
Those horse power sucking things? they're nearly perfected in the states.EMP's they call em.

[Brett]

Speed doesn't kill. It's the sudden stop that does it

I stop suddenly all the time and yet am alive....

I tell ya what does choke my goat....unmarked road works at night. Hit a 20m long patch of gravel just on corner exit just out of Papakura, Nothing like the back wheel trying to overtake you at speed to make a night interesting.

[scumdog]

I stop suddenly all the time and yet am alive....

I tell ya what does choke my goat....unmarked road works at night. Hit a 20m long patch of gravel just on corner exit just out of Papakura, Nothing like the back wheel trying to overtake you at speed to make a night interesting.

Well if it ended up in a sudden stop you wouldn't be worried eh?

[MSTRS:Me]

There are so many factors at work in any (potential) crash.
For last weekend's (zero) toll, point at foul weather keeping the crowds home, fear of extra filth about, no money for the extra petrol, improving safety rating of the general fleet...amongst others.
The biggie is simple chance. Monitoring for deaths during any particular period over time will show a variety of results.
Anyone who thinks a 5kph reduced tolerance is the reason for zero road deaths is arguably certifiable.

[Mad-V2]

It's hard enough these days with all the "your speed" signs everywhere! there's one in Hastings that said SLOW DOWN!!! and I was doing around 48 in my truck.
There's another one in Napier that says I'm doing 50 when I'm sitting on 55
I wouldn't have a clue if I'm speeding anymore.

[Brett]

Well if it ended up in a sudden stop you wouldn't be worried eh?

I suppose you are not incorrect.

[cold comfort]

"That is concerning for us given the number one killer on Waikato roads so far this year has been a loss of concentration by drivers resulting in the crossing over of the centre-line which is what happened overnight."

So the 10k tolerance would the other one then?

[davebullet]

"That is concerning for us given the number one killer on Waikato roads so far this year has been a loss of concentration by drivers resulting in the crossing over of the centre-line which is what happened overnight."

So the 10k tolerance would the other one then?

I think that proves the point how meaningless a temporary reduction in tolerance is.

I mean 2 vehilces colliding head on at a combined speed of 220kph will have the same result for the occupants as 2 colliding at a combined speed of 200kph

[scumdog]

I think that proves the point how meaningless a temporary reduction in tolerance is.

I mean 2 vehilces colliding head on at a combined speed of 220kph will have the same result for the occupants as 2 colliding at a combined speed of 200kph

Risking you are trolling but I think if people keep their speed down then the chance of them colliding head on is reduced by a certain amount.

If it all hinges around impact speed then I say knock the open road speed limit down to 65kph, ensures greater survivalibity....

[Swoop]

For last weekend's (zero) toll, point at foul weather, fear of extra filth about, no money for the extra petrol, improving safety rating of the general fleet...amongst others.
The biggie is simple chance.

Chance of Paula Rose attempting to take the credit though?
Chance of the idiots in Wellytown believing her crap?

[Scuba_Steve]

Risking you are trolling but I think if people keep their speed down then the chance of them colliding head on is reduced by a certain amount.

True in theory but reality is a whole new ball game. Studies (& driver behavior) would suggest otherwise, the slower people travel the less attention they pay to the road.
"ohhh look at the pretty scenery", "ahh I'm not traveling that fast I have time to adjust the radio" etc etc, you get the point I'm sure

[oneofsix]

True in theory but reality is a whole new ball game. Studies (& driver behavior) would suggest otherwise, the slower people travel the less attention they pay to the road.
"ohhh look at the pretty scenery", "ahh I'm not traveling that fast I have time to adjust the radio" etc etc, you get the point I'm sure

wonder if you aren't both right. The type of accident changes but the numbers dead remain about the same. Loss of control through loss of traction reduces. Loss of road position through lack of attention increases. This from a Defensive Driving instructor 30 years ago so its not like it anything new.
I see the lack of attention if verified along SH1 , Paekakriki to Pukerua Bay, constantly. People used to drive that section at 100k and take the corners at those speeds, now they have dropped the limit to 80k the same drivers seem to struggle to take the same corners at 80k because they aren't concentrating on their driving as much and the corners 'surprise' them.

[MSTRS:Me]

Chance of Paula Rose attempting to take the credit though?

100%

Chance of the idiots in Wellytown believing her crap?

Almost 0%. Surely only the braindead public are stupid enough to believe it?
As for the Shiny Arses in Wellytown - cynicism tells me that they believe 100% in the propaganda of it all.

[martybabe]

Cause this shit aint going away.

I concur, some previous holidays have had no improvement at all in fatality reduction, some have had more and some (the last one) less.

That makes it inconclusive in my book but not so the Police woman person that claims a reduction last Holiday is proof that it is working. Ergo, Step 1. we will impose reduced tolerance for speeding as an experiment for one holiday. step 2. we will impose a reduced tolerance for speeding on all holidays.and finally. step 3. we will impose a reduced tolerance for speeding permanently across the board.

I applaud any reduction in road fatalities but just because some Senior Police woman claims it is working does not make it so.

Meanwhile, back in the world less fantastical, the carnage caused by bad driving, bad riding and bad pedestrianing continues largely unabated because much as some would like it to be a one fix solution, it unfortunately is far more complex than that.

The fixation on speeding as the root of all evil and the primary cause of fatal accidents is a falsehood. Bad driving, in whatever form is the primary cause of the carnage on our roads and that ain't ever going to go away by pointing cameras at Traffic to collect coin, that is only ever going to go away by a complete overhaul of driving practices/ training and licencing.

I stand to be corrected but NZ, I believe, has 2-3 times the road based Fatalities that the UK has (per capita). If the powers that be believe that having a nation drive around religiously stuck on 100kph will bring us any nearer that record, then they are fooling themselves.