Scooter and red lights

[swbarnett]

"I would look ahead and zoom straight through."

This is the real problem. Sounds like they're not even treating the lights like a stop sign.

[oneofsix]

"I would look ahead and zoom straight through."

This is the real problem. Sounds like they're not even treating the lights like a stop sign.

I think you are reading too much into a casual remark, you are probably too used to reading comments after spin doctors have vetted them. Read more into the 'look ahead' part of the remark and concentrate less on the 'zoom', come on after all we are talk a scooter here If they had I check the road is clear and then proceed it would be more palatable and mature speak but not student speak.

If the and council were to allow them to treat red lights as stop sign it would be a solution

[oneofsix]

So you've had you recommended 5 hours of TV that has been approved by the American Obesity association?

Must have as he has taken time out to post on KB

[rastuscat]

If the and council were to allow them to treat red lights as stop sign it would be a solution

Cool, treat traffic lights like stop signs.

Trouble is, most treat stop signs like give ways, so are you suggesting that we should treat stop signs as, by extension, give ways?

Thing with that is the number of people we attend crashes with who have collided with things they didn't see before they pulled out in front of. Hard to believe, but people actually look at things that their mind doesn't register, so they don't see, and there goes the basis of a crash.

Still a good idea for folk to go through red lights if they don't see anyone coming?

[Kickaha]

I watched a Munter on a motorcycle run a red tonight and miss being a hood ornament by SFA

He lanesplit to the front of the queue (I was about three back) It looked like rather than watch the lights in front he was watching the lights for the traffic coming across in front of us

When those lights changed red rather than wait for the green facing us he launched not realising we were still going to be under a red while traffic coming towards us got the green arrow

He made it halfway across before he just about got nailed and spent a little bit of time in the middle of the intersection with cars crossing about 1/2 a metre in front of him

[rastuscat]

Yes. I was on my way to work a few months back and stopped at a red light. The opposing lights changed, and the car ahead of me set off. Trouble is, he read it wrong, and was damn near smoked by a truck coming the other way with a green arrow.

Thing is, if they'd crashed, he'd have sworn his light was green. Coz he's human.

Anyway, I tracked him down later that day, and the thing is in court a few weeks from now.

[Gremlin]

Why can't we just get rid of traffic lights, and stick some roundabouts in? Not only are they more fun to negotiate, polution will be less. Only place they don't work too well is when there is a heavy flow of traffic in one direction.

I wouldn't want to count the number of times I'm stuck at a light, often with others, while the green way is completely devoid of traffic, but the light thinks it's best to keep us idling... even at night.

[steelphoenix]

This used to be a problem for me, then they upgraded the sensors, and there was much rejoicing. This may not have been the bike, but fact that my car was sometimes failing to register...

Roundabouts are fun... except when they're the Panmure or Royal Oak ones. I would posit more roundabouts would result in an increase in hood ornamentation, with people pulling in front of bikes (when we have right of way). Though I may be mixing correlation and causation. I need to analyse this... *geek*

[Devil]

I know of at least one intersection that often doesn't pick the bike up, even the big BMW. Then the problem is, if a car comes up behind, they cant get onto the sensor because i'm in the way.

I dont think it's reasonable at all to hit the ped button. What am I going to do? Push my 250kg bike across an uphill intersection?

I give it one minute, then as far as i'm concerned it's a stop sign.

[jazfender]

"You pretty much have to learn to deal with it."

Traffic signal engineer Anton Swagernan said the city council was aware of the problem, but because the sensors were aimed to recognise vehicles with high magnetic fields there was not much that could be done.

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Fuck that attitude.

[oneofsix]

Cool, treat traffic lights like stop signs.

Trouble is, most treat stop signs like give ways, so are you suggesting that we should treat stop signs as, by extension, give ways?

Thing with that is the number of people we attend crashes with who have collided with things they didn't see before they pulled out in front of. Hard to believe, but people actually look at things that their mind doesn't register, so they don't see, and there goes the basis of a crash.

Still a good idea for folk to go through red lights if they don't see anyone coming?

rastuscat sounds like you are looking at the problem too much from the authoritarian angle. I only suggested treating red lights like stop signs. I don't generally agree with running red lights. Like with emergency vehicles, if any thing goes wrong it is still the scooter riders fault because they ran a red, if nothing goes wrong except being caught on a camera or observed by then they allowed to continue.
And yes we are all well aware of the see but don't perceive issue (SIDSYM) but peoples on only two wheels tend to take more care in ensuring the perceive.

[oneofsix]

"You pretty much have to learn to deal with it."

Traffic signal engineer Anton Swagernan said the city council was aware of the problem, but because the sensors were aimed to recognise vehicles with high magnetic fields there was not much that could be done.

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Fuck that attitude.

+1 with technology that can strip you naked with out removing an item of clothing employed at airports I'm pretty darn sure a better solution can be found here. If they are unwilling to find or pay for the solution then suck it up and let those on two wheels proceed through a red when the way is clear

[swbarnett]

I think you are reading too much into a casual remark, you are probably too used to reading comments after spin doctors have vetted them. Read more into the 'look ahead' part of the remark and concentrate less on the 'zoom',

It was the 'look ahed' that I found a bit silly. This says to me that they don't check the side roads.

come on after all we are talk a scooter here If they had I check the road is clear and then proceed it would be more palatable and mature speak but not student speak.

yeah, I agree that this is probably what they meant. Doesn't come across well to the general public though.

If the and council were to allow them to treat red lights as stop sign it would be a solution

Totally agree.

[swbarnett]

Still a good idea for folk to go through red lights if they don't see anyone coming?

If they are genuinely malfunctioning, as is the case here, then yes.

[jazfender]

+1 with technology that can strip you naked with out removing an item of clothing employed at airports I'm pretty darn sure a better solution can be found here. If they are unwilling to find or pay for the solution then suck it up and let those on two wheels proceed through a red when the way is clear

I wish engineers thought about engineering as opposed to money.

Learn to deal with it... that's some close-minded shit.