bike positioning on the road.

[Beemer]

God, everyone seems to have lost their irony detector today! By "dad" I was meaning everyone who has suddenly leapt to Sunhuntin's defence - it was a figurative comment, not a literal one.

Not every car driver is a dangerous idiot who will put your life in danger if you dare to allow them the room to pass. I keep going back to the "prevent" them from passing statement.

I am stepping back from this thread now, I stand by my comments but some people, rightly or wrongly, have put their own interpretation on them. I am tired of explaining what I meant and I have better things to do.

[FlyingDutchMan]

God, everyone seems to have lost their irony detector today! By "dad" I was meaning everyone who has suddenly leapt to Sunhuntin's defence - it was a figurative comment, not a literal one.

Not every car driver is a dangerous idiot who will put your life in danger if you dare to allow them the room to pass. I keep going back to the "prevent" them from passing statement.

I am stepping back from this thread now, I stand by my comments but some people, rightly or wrongly, have put their own interpretation on them. I am tired of explaining what I meant and I have better things to do.

But some are, and unless you treat them all as idoits, you WILL get killed. I fully support Sunhunters position, and I did it too when I was on my learners. The very last thing you want is a cage a foot away from you mid corner (and it happened quite often when I had me GN125). If I thought it was safe place for them to pass I let them, otherwise no. It is only yourself who is fully resposible for your own safety.

[James Deuce]

But some are, and unless you treat them all as idoits, you WILL get killed. I fully support Sunhunters position, and I did it too when I was on my learners. The very last thing you want is a cage a foot away from you mid corner (and it happened quite often when I had me GN125). If I thought it was safe place for them to pass I let them, otherwise no. It is only yourself who is fully resposible for your own safety.

You're putting words in Beemers' mouth that just weren't there. We were suggesting that the attitude displayed was more dangerous than the action itself.

Having had a riding partner demolished by a fool in an SS Commodore who passed a line of traffic my riding partner was holding up traffic at 70km/hr on his L's, whilst traversing a mildly twisty section of SH2, I don't advocate actually complying with that law. Unfortunately that is a "bad" attitude too, whihc could result in financial penalties.

[Lou Girardin]

As far as I am aware there is NO NZ road that has a minimum speed limit. 100kph is the MAXIMUM speed allowed on the road, not a "everyone must do this speed or else" speed. ANY driver who elects to travel at under the 100kph figure is entitled to do so, for whatever reason, provided they are considerate of other drivers. Consideration of other drivers is something that sometimes would not go amiss from those travelling in excess of the limit, also.
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There's a 40 km/h minimum on motorways.

[ManDownUnder]

There's a 40 km/h minimum on motorways.

If they issue tickets... there's a FORTUNE to be made at rush hour!

I'd suggest starting on the Northern Carpark, with the Southern and Nor Western Carparks follwing that!

They'd have about 2 hours to do their work so that should be ok...

MDU

[erik]

If they issue tickets... there's a FORTUNE to be made at rush hour!

[Waylander]

If they issue tickets... there's a FORTUNE to be made at rush hour!

I'd suggest starting on the Northern Carpark, with the Southern and Nor Western Carparks follwing that!

They'd have about 2 hours to do their work so that should be ok...

MDU

And then due to the back up of peaple waiting to be ticketed will cause a bigger traffic backup and even more peaple to recieve tickets. By the gods why hasn't anybody thought of this before!!! It's the ultimate in revenue gathering!!

[Jantar]

There's a 40 km/h minimum on motorways.

Last time I travelled on the Southern Motorway out of Auckland, most vehicles were either stopped or travelling at less than 10 km/h

[Posh Tourer :P]

Bollocks.

If you don't want people to "leap to conclusions" then provide all the information.

In a forum post, or indeed an email, you cannot read intent or meaning if it isn't written down.

Rubbish. Sunhuntin read your post as a personal attack. You did not write 'I personally attack you'. You read her words (prevent people from passing) as an ongoing attitude. Words dont have just one meaning - you can be as assiduous as you like and someone will still misunderstand you. I thought you were too harsh in your language. Why not ask for some more info rather than rushing into a bollocking? If you were in a pub and you started shouting at me just because I'd said that, I'd get angry at you too - well actually no I wouldnt, I'd shout over you to get my point across that I wasnt such a bad guy after all - but I can see that some would get angry. What is the point in discussing anything with someone who appears to have made their mind up about you (not that I'm saying you had - see below)?

Of course this is all about how you argue, and I'm quite happy to have a shouting argument, as long as each side is open to a change of opinion, just as I'm happy to have a calm, civil slow argument... (or discussion, as I believe they are sometimes called)

[James Deuce]

Rubbish. Sunhuntin read your post as a personal attack. You did not write 'I personally attack you'. You read her words (prevent people from passing) as an ongoing attitude. Words dont have just one meaning - you can be as assiduous as you like and someone will still misunderstand you. I thought you were too harsh in your language. Why not ask for some more info rather than rushing into a bollocking? (snip)

Because I'm tired of watching "invulnerable" teens and 20 somethings die and get hurt because their "mentors" cared about their "feelings" and didn't deliver a bollocking when needed.

I don't give a crap about whether it was perceived as a personal attack or not. It obviously struck a chord, so maybe I achieved my desired end result, and someone is thinking about how their own mindset can affect how long they live. I seriously doubt it though.

[Beemer]

Words dont have just one meaning - you can be as assiduous as you like and someone will still misunderstand you.

Assiduous, as per the Collins English Dictionary: hard-working; persevering, or undertaken with perserverance and care.

Could you please clarify what you are implying or are you trying to be insidious?

[mstriumph]

yup - agree with you - the ONLY hard and fast rule about road-positioning is that there IS no hard and fast rule...... newbies just have to have ALL their wits about them 110% of the time and adjust their positioning to suit watever comes next ...

Not quite true. You'll get yourself killed riding there - its smack in the cars blind spot.

What you *should* be doing is making sure you have a safe following distance of at least 3 secs (and yes it does require riding slow). Most of the riders I see tailgate because they think they have good brakes - yet you look in the wreckers and see how many bikes have mashed front ends.

Next you want to position yourself in your lane so that you can see the furthest both straight ahead and down side turnings. That means you have to change your position IN the lane fairly often and it also means you have to adjust your speed.

For a left hand side road, cars on the left and left hand obstruction its right side of lane, opposite for muck on the right.

Never follow behind a car, always about 6" to either side of it. That way, if you cock up an emergency brake, worst you'll do is pull up alongside.

You usually find that people who make firm rules about where to travel like always on the left or always on the right are the ones that have the most incidents because they dont seem to plan for the unexpected.

[Posh Tourer :P]

Because I'm tired of watching "invulnerable" teens and 20 somethings die and get hurt because their "mentors" cared about their "feelings" and didn't deliver a bollocking when needed.

I don't give a crap about whether it was perceived as a personal attack or not. It obviously struck a chord, so maybe I achieved my desired end result, and someone is thinking about how their own mindset can affect how long they live. I seriously doubt it though.

Some fair enough points. I'm all in favour of deserved bollockings (and perhaps use of restrained force). As long as it is deserved.....

To be honest, I've argued this past the point of what I believe, to get an honest, sensible reply. Both sides (relatively) happy, end of argument/discussion?......

[Posh Tourer :P]

Assiduous, as per the Collins English Dictionary: hard-working; persevering, or undertaken with perserverance and care.

Could you please clarify what you are implying or are you trying to be insidious?

Insidious, as per the Collins English Dictionary..........
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err... I meant it in the latter sense.

Now to really get your mind going, look up the meaning of 'it'

[Beemer]

Insidious, as per the Collins English Dictionary..........
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err... I meant it in the latter sense.

Now to really get your mind going, look up the meaning of 'it'

Mmn, the first meaning is VERY interesting - non-human, animal, plant or inanimate thing, or "sometimes to a small baby: it looks dangerous; give it a bone"

I think I prefer the last (informal) meaning - you know what 'it' is!