New Zealand bike prices WTF

[Robert Taylor]

Send me the dosh in the uk where i am at present , and i box it up and send it back as scrap..........which under 100 bucks doesnt get caught by impory tax, and shipping costs will be about 1200 NZ for the boxes and take 5 weeks ish.

Sorted.............Easy

Old git

Thats fraud, technically. Recognised distributors import goods to the letter of the law and pay the correct amount of duty and gst. Why should a private individual circumvent that?

[Ocean1]

Why should a private individual circumvent that?

The same reason a prisoner of war has a duty to attempt to escape.

Yer actual cash carrying end-user has a duty to attempt to thwart those who would clip the ticket without actually contributing anything to the purchase value.

OK, so not exactly the same reason, valid nonetheless.

[Robert Taylor]

The same reason a prisoner of war has a duty to attempt to escape.

Yer actual cash carrying end-user has a duty to attempt to thwart those who would clip the ticket without actually contributing anything to the purchase value.

OK, so not exactly the same reason, valid nonetheless.

No thats totally flawed reasoning. To put it another way if the business is paying gst why shouldnt a private individual? Increasingly it is like the cards are firmly stacked against businesses.

[Ocean1]

No thats totally flawed reasoning. To put it another way if the business is paying gst why shouldnt a private individual? Increasingly it is like the cards are firmly stacked against businesses.

But business don't pay GST on stock. And private individuals do.

And by your reasoning both should be encumbered with the same range of tax liabilities. When you know full well that the rationale driving who pays what is twofold. Can they pay, and can we make them? Which, by the way, explains your last point.

[Robert Taylor]

But business don't pay GST on stock. And private individuals do.

And by your reasoning both should be encumbered with the same range of tax liabilities. When you know full well that the rationale driving who pays what is twofold. Can they pay, and can we make them? Which, by the way, explains your last point.

Let me rephrase it, your reasoning is brazenly selfish. Distributors pay clearance charges and gst on all charges. We accept that. We also accept that those tax revenues go into the Government coffers to pay for the services we ALL take for granted, and god knows the Government needs as much revenue as it can get at present. Why shouldnt someone who privately imports also pay clearance and gst?. BTW Customs have tightened up on this considerably in the last year or so.

[Ocean1]

Let me rephrase it, your reasoning is brazenly selfish. Distributors pay clearance charges and gst on all charges. We accept that. We also accept that those tax revenues go into the Government coffers to pay for the services we ALL take for granted, and god knows the Government needs as much revenue as it can get at present. Why shouldnt someone who privately imports also pay clearance and gst?. BTW Customs have tightened up on this considerably in the last year or so.

Self serving, rather. A result of having been brazenly extorted by succesive governments that see me as a cash cow, while providing minimal help to maintain the revenue stream they siphon from.

So while I'd have once agreed with you I'd now ask why on earth a private individual who's paid rather a large quantity of tax over the years shouldn't take advantage of the somewhat novel opportunity of avoiding doing so if the chance arrises.

If the government or the relivant distributor actually provided value for their associated costs they wouldn't have to resort to heavy handed preventitive measures.

[SS90]

Distributors pay clearance charges and gst on all charges. .

This is somwthing that your average punter does not get.... Importers pay GST on goods, and, this is non refundable.... in effect a duty, just by another name.

One of the main reasons privately imported parts come in cheaper.

[PeeJay]

No thats totally flawed reasoning. To put it another way if the business is paying gst why shouldnt a private individual? Increasingly it is like the cards are firmly stacked against businesses.

Gee Robert I thought you would be a bit more on to it.

Dont you know that any gst a business pays can be claimed back from IRD?

If you havent been claiming your gst back it might pay to get in touch with IRD.
They probably have 1000's sitting there waiting for you

[PeeJay]

This is somwthing that your average punter does not get.... Importers pay GST on goods, and, this is non refundable.... in effect a duty, just by another name.

One of the main reasons privately imported parts come in cheaper.

I guess you dont import goods for a business. Or if you do you wont be very good at your job.

The gst is refundable, you just have to claim it on your gst return

[Quasievil]

I guess you dont import goods for a business. Or if you do you wont be very good at your job.

The gst is refundable, you just have to claim it on your gst return

Really, so ALL the GST I pay in business I get back LOL ..............yeah right.

fuck this place is full of muppets

[PeeJay]

Let me rephrase it, your reasoning is brazenly selfish. Distributors pay clearance charges and gst on all charges. We accept that. We also accept that those tax revenues go into the Government coffers to pay for the services we ALL take for granted, and god knows the Government needs as much revenue as it can get at present. Why shouldnt someone who privately imports also pay clearance and gst?. BTW Customs have tightened up on this considerably in the last year or so.

Gee Robert you arent up with the rules and regulations around importing as well.
The exact same rules regarding gst, clearance charges, thresholds for gst etc
apply to both business and private individuals

Or maybe you do know this but are not above spreading a little misinformation to bolster your argument?
No you wouldnt do that would you?

[PeeJay]

Really, so ALL the GST I pay in business I get back LOL ..............yeah right.

fuck this place is full of muppets

Why not tell us what gst your business doesnt get back?
so the muppets can be better informed

[Quasievil]

Why not tell us what gst your business doesnt get back?
so the muppets can be better informed

when did you last do a gst return?

[PeeJay]

when did you last do a gst return?

I dont personally do the gst returns anymore. But our last one was done 1st week of June.
Still interested to know which business gst charges you cant/dont claim

[Quasievil]

I dont personally do the gst returns anymore. But our last one was done 1st week of June.
Still interested to know which business gst charges you cant/dont claim

My Interpretation of your previous comment "GST is refundable all you have to do is claim" was you get it all back, this isnt the case, you may get a refund you may have to pay GST, it depends of course on GST spent and GST received and the difference

so we have no argument I suspect