Queens cains access to waterways.

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What do you all think about this. I'm buggered if I'd want people coming onto my property without having the right to tell them that they are tresspassing. If its good for city dwellers to have private property, then why not the rural dwellers. There is enough crime in rural remote areas allready, won't this make it worse?

[Lou Girardin]

What do you all think about this. I'm buggered if I'd want people coming onto my property without having the right to tell them that they are tresspassing. If its good for city dwellers to have private property, then why not the rural dwellers. There is enough crime in rural remote areas allready, won't this make it worse?

Unless of course, you want to retain the traditional right to hunt and fish without paying a landowner to do so.
Part of the farmers unspoken argument is to gain the right to charge for access.

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Unless of course, you want to retain the traditional right to hunt and fish without paying a landowner to do so.
Part of the farmers unspoken argument is to gain the right to charge for access.

I'm just a townie who is wondering what everyone else thinks of it...

[Ixion]

Queen's chain ? Didn't know Bessie was a biker. Game old bird. Rides a Yamaha Royale I suppose ?

Being as it's her chain shouldn't they ask her what she wants done with it. I'd get a bit pissed off if people started messing about with my chain without asking me.

[ManDownUnder]

What do you all think about this. I'm buggered if I'd want people coming onto my property without having the right to tell them that they are tresspassing. If its good for city dwellers to have private property, then why not the rural dwellers. There is enough crime in rural remote areas allready, won't this make it worse?

I think it's a load of shite. I'm a hunter and enjoy fishing (not that I get out much lately)... but I have NEVER expressed an entitlement to access rivers etc. If I am on someone's land, I want them to know. I want their express permission and they retain the right to remove me from their land for any (or no) reason whatsoever.

It's a two way street... I'll help the farmer by shooting possums, deer or assisting in otherways, and they allow me onto their land.

Or not.

No big deal - and as was pointed out, this is the same as land ownership in the cities.

My experience is that farmers aren't unreasonably restrictive. Most are really good people with a more than average practical and generous outlook on life.

MDU

[TonyB]

Unless of course, you want to retain the traditional right to hunt and fish without paying a landowner to do so.
Part of the farmers unspoken argument is to gain the right to charge for access.

All they want is the right to have a say in who they let onto their land, and when they can do it.
An unknowledgeable person walking through a paddock at lambing time can cause chaos.
An unknowledgeable person walking through a paddock at calving time can get them selves seriously injured or worse.
I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I believe if someone injures themselves on your land it gets tricky with ACC.
Then there's the delightful ones that come along and kill one of your sheep for some tucker. The dogs people bring with them worrying stock. People leaving gates open- your stock gets on the road and causes an accident- that gets tricky. Flighty lambs panicing and piling into a corner and smothering.
And finally, the people that sneak in and plant some dope on your land. Not sure of the rules at the moment but only a few years ago it was possible to loose your farm if you couldn't prove it wasn't yours.

All they want is for people to come and ask if they can cross their land. Then they'll know where you are, and can advise of any posssible dangers etc. You won't often meet a cocky who'll tell you to piss off.

[ManDownUnder]

All they want is the right to have a say in who they let onto their land, and when they can do it.
An unknowledgeable person walking through a paddock at lambing time can cause chaos.
An unknowledgeable person walking through a paddock at calving time can get them selves seriously injured or worse.
I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I believe if someone injures themselves on your land it gets tricky with ACC.
Then there's the delightful ones that come along and kill one of your sheep for some tucker. The dogs people bring with them worrying stock. People leaving gates open- your stock gets on the road and causes an accident- that gets tricky. Flighty lambs panicing and piling into a corner and smothering.
And finally, the people that sneak in and plant some dope on your land. Not sure of the rules at the moment but only a few years ago it was possible to loose your farm if you couldn't prove it wasn't yours.

All they want is for people to come and ask if they can cross their land. Then they'll know where you are, and can advise of any posssible dangers etc. You won't often meet a cocky who'll tell you to piss off.

Exactly right on all scores.

Add to that the fact a farmer may be pest controlling... with a .22 or something little more powerful. They know where the cattle are, and will not shoot towards them, they know where the empty paddocks are and WILL shoot towards them...

Possums come out at night, they shoot, they miss and suddenly they find they've shot someone?!?

uh oh.

naaa mate - for EVERYONE's protection, keep access under control.

Some cockies are going to say NO. And good on them - they've been stuffed around with this for so long.

[Jackrat]

All they want is the right to have a say in who they let onto their land, and when they can do it.
An unknowledgeable person walking through a paddock at lambing time can cause chaos.
An unknowledgeable person walking through a paddock at calving time can get them selves seriously injured or worse.
I'm not exactly sure how it works, but I believe if someone injures themselves on your land it gets tricky with ACC.
Then there's the delightful ones that come along and kill one of your sheep for some tucker. The dogs people bring with them worrying stock. People leaving gates open- your stock gets on the road and causes an accident- that gets tricky. Flighty lambs panicing and piling into a corner and smothering.
And finally, the people that sneak in and plant some dope on your land. Not sure of the rules at the moment but only a few years ago it was possible to loose your farm if you couldn't prove it wasn't yours.

All they want is for people to come and ask if they can cross their land. Then they'll know where you are, and can advise of any posssible dangers etc. You won't often meet a cocky who'll tell you to piss off.

Fully agree here,
The Dope thing still stands,plus pulling the shit up can result in threats of violence or damage to your property.
A bullet an a tomo,that's all the access those cunts deserve.
But back to the subject at hand.
There's miles of public land in NZ that's freely accessable to anybody that wants to put in a bit of effort.
My brother in law manages our property,he is more that capable of deciding if somebody is a legit sports person or not,he/we do not need laws to let just anybody cross the place.
As far as selling access rights,,,,,get a fucking life.

[Jackrat]

Unless of course, you want to retain the traditional right to hunt and fish without paying a landowner to do so.
Part of the farmers unspoken argument is to gain the right to charge for access.

If it's unspoken,how the fuck would you know ?

[What?]

I'll vote when I work out what the available options mean...

Meanwhile, in the last nine years we have only had ONE person ask for (and was granted) access to the river that forms our bottom boundary. In the same period we have had numerous know-alls tresspassing, wrecking fences, leaving gates open and leaving their rubbish behind, then spouting ill-informed crap about the "queen's chain" when challenged.
Aside from merely pissing me off in the extreme with their attitudes and damage caused, the use of firearms is not unknown here. If there are people on the property unbeknown to me, they could be in genuine mortal danger. And if the worst happens, guess who is in the poo.

[zadok]

According to a document I just read, "there is no legal device called a 'Queens Chain'."
http://www.doc.govt.nz/Regional-Info...eens-Chain.asp
The last paragraph about asking for permission, as has been mentioned on this forum, would seem be the right thing to do.

I'll decline to vote with the options available.

[Skyryder]

There has been a long tradition in this country that fisherman have had access to both rivers and lakes through private property. However this has not meant that fisherman have had access to all and every part of the private property. I know of one location that I used for many years. This was on the understanding that the track was not to be left and all gates were to be left as found. Many fisherman including myself were suddenly excluded from this water when the station was sold to an American buyer who promptly leased the water rights to a local fishing guide. There have a been number of instances where this has happened and my report is not an isolated case. I pay for the priveledge too fish for trout along with many other New Zealanders. This resource is managed under statute by Fish and Game New Zealand. If it was not for my licence fees along with many thousands of other New Zealanders this absentee landlord would not have an additional asset.

Now I don't have a problem when it comes to competing with the local fishing guide but when a traditional access is removed from licenced fishermen so that a private buisness can be established then I get a little bit upset. Now remember that the land owner does not own the river nor the trout that inhabit it. And another thing to remember as the water access is through private property there is no way for Fish and Game rangers to establish if the guides clients have licences.



Skyryder

[Skyryder]

If it's unspoken,how the fuck would you know ?

Because that's what's happened. See my post.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Bit lengthy but it's all here.

http://www.publicaccessnewzealand.or...ens_chain.html


Skyryder

[Jackrat]

Because that's what's happened. See my post.

Skyryder

My reply to our resident bigot wasn't aimed at you,sorry if you got the idea it was.
The situation you highlight doesn't involve a New Zealand land owner,rather an outsider that in my opinion should NEVER have been allowed to buy land here in the first place.But that's a whole other discussion anyway.
I refer to real Kiwi farmers that have never really had any issue with allowing access to legit sports people.
As it stands now on my own family property,the gate is shut to everybody,my own friends included.
If this law goes ahead that's going to be how it stays.
The Gov't created this problem,their going to have to solve it,penalizing the real kiwi farmer for their own muck up it's going to do it.