All up weight

[vgcspares]

tried asking the Q on the general bike ravings forum and got just what was printed on the box back - anyone any thoughts on what an adventure traillie (1200 shaft drive) should weigh in at (respectably) ?

[NordieBoy]

Shrek will know.

Paging Shrek, Shrek to the white courtesy phone.

To me, the 650's are adventure trailies, the bigger bikes are more adventure tourers, not something I'd want to take on a trail ride.

[Eddieb]

adventure traillie ......(1200 shaft drive)

Apart from those 2 phrases being an oxymoron and the answer being something like morbidly obsese I thought I should add something more constructive.

I'd be surprised if you could get one of those much below 240 easily.

I've had an R80G/s at ~200KG wet, R100GS PD at ~240kg wet, 950 Adventure at ~2x0kg wet and DR650 at ~ 160kg wet.

At 200kg it's quite feasible to take it over some pretty lumpy rough terrain if you also have some decent foot contact with the ground when needed, though single track is not easy.
At 240kg it's still feasible on rough lumpy stuff but the margin of lean you can support is significantly reduced but it's still surprising where a capable rider can go.

I would say a 21" front wheel is almost essential on the bigger bikes, the 19" on the GS's for example tend to plow in soft surfaces. Gser could chime in to how much of a difference the 21" conversion did to his 1100GS.

[Oscar]

My 950Adv is light enough to encourage silly speeds off road, in all sorts of terrain.
The problem is that having encouraged you to get into that position, it's heavy enough to hurt you.

[Phreaky Phil]

My 950Adv is light enough to encourage silly speeds off road, in all sorts of terrain.
The problem is that having encouraged you to get into that position, it's heavy enough to hurt you.

Did you ever weigh the 950 ? They sure ain't light and they're heavier (lots )than they claim. There handling and suspension is what allowed your "silly" Speeds off road. ( when we went to Alaska the bikes got weighed so we got to see what things really weighed )

[Night Falcon]

....The problem is that having encouraged you to get into that position, it's heavy enough to hurt you.

I can vouch for that!

Did you ever weigh the 950 ? They sure ain't light and they're heavier (lots )than they claim. There handling and suspension is what allowed your "silly" Speeds off road. ( when we went to Alaska the bikes got weighed so we got to see what things really weighed )

do tell

[GSers]

Yeah 1100gs is approx 240Kgs but I have never weighed it all ready to roll gross laiden weight according to the broucher 450Kgs. Easily ridable on hard pack and gravel at good speed. 19" front wheel I found the easiest way to ride on gravel was point and shoot. Fitting the 21" front wheel made it heaps better on the gravel and rough stuff (2 up Black Forest Station in the wet) but even with the bigger front wheel you need to concentrate on keeping it vertical on wet grass and mud when they decide to fall over it happens rather quickly good luck. As for the Yamaha I know they are supposed to be heavier than the 1200GS which was lighter than the 1150 so probably around the 240-250Kgs
GSers

[Box'a'bits]

This site says the fully fuelled weight for an R1200gs is 225kgs. Gus (my R100GS) would be about the same with 'some' gas in the tank (its a 43l tank, so unfair to directly compare fully fuelled). Gus would have about 1/2 the power output.

The big advantage Gus has is the 21" wheel, and less cost if things go dramatically wrong. Also he has a simple motor & electrics. Gunnyrobs issues with his R1200GS blowing computers pretty much put me off any (potential but unlikely) upgrades in that direction.

Where Gus struggles is in ground clearance, particular in rutty tracks. He's pretty well balanced though, with a low centre of gravity, & plenty of torque low in the rev range, which means tractoring up snotty (rocky) hill climbs is where he can excel.

I can go anywhere almost anywhere a KLR can go, provided I have appropriate tyres.

[Pampera]

tried asking the Q on the general bike ravings forum and got just what was printed on the box back - anyone any thoughts on what an adventure traillie (1200 shaft drive) should weigh in at (respectably) ?

Claimed motorcycle weights are generally extremely inaccurate, the claimed weight is well below the real weight. However you CAN believe the weight claimed by BMW in their official material. They quote the standard that is used to specify the condition the bike is in when weighed and most magazine tests that weigh a BMW independently agree to the brochure weight within a few kg. One of the reasons is that such things are very tightly controlled in Germany, with serious consequences for inaccurate claims.

So if it is a 1200GS you want to know the weight of, believe the brochure. As to whether that is what it should weigh, who knows.....
Hope this helps

Michael

[pete376403]

[QUOTE=Box'a'bits;1130339602I can go anywhere almost anywhere a KLR can go, provided I have appropriate tyres.[/QUOTE]

FYI I weighed my KLR with a full tank of gas on the interislander weighbridge. 192kgs

[GSers]

and less cost if things go dramatically wrong. Also he has a simple motor & electrics. Gunnyrobs issues with his R1200GS blowing computers pretty much put me off any (potential but unlikely) upgrades in that direction.

Whats this less cost when things go wrong ?????
There is always something going wrong so if you added up the cost Gunnyrobs computer issue its probably not much difference.
The issue with cost is whether you still have the ability to fix said bike or have to take it to the shop.
I digress better not start an airhead , oilhead , hexhead war.
GSers

[Box'a'bits]

and less cost if things go dramatically wrong. Also he has a simple motor & electrics. Gunnyrobs issues with his R1200GS blowing computers pretty much put me off any (potential but unlikely) upgrades in that direction.

Whats this less cost when things go wrong ?????
There is always something going wrong so if you added up the cost Gunnyrobs computer issue its probably not much difference.
The issue with cost is whether you still have the ability to fix said bike or have to take it to the shop.
I digress better not start an airhead , oilhead , hexhead war.
GSers

Kick over a R1200GS. Now add up the cost.
Kick over your bike. Now add up the cost.
Try kicking over my bike & I'll punch you in the Gob....

[Oscar]

Did you ever weigh the 950 ? They sure ain't light and they're heavier (lots )than they claim. There handling and suspension is what allowed your "silly" Speeds off road. ( when we went to Alaska the bikes got weighed so we got to see what things really weighed )

They've been arguing about it on AdvRider for years:

I have noticed a few posts around this forum which indicate that some folks believe that the weight of a BMW R1200GS is about the same as the weight of a KTM 950 Adventure. Could it be that they are comparing BMW's CLAIMED wet weight with KTM's ACTUAL wet weight?

MOTORCYCLIST MAGAZINE:
Motorcyclist, March 2006, page 146
BMW R1200GS..........................544 lbs wet
KTM 950 Adventure S................495 lbs wet

Motorcyclist, January 2004, page 30
KTM 950 Adventure S................495 lbs wet, (fuel capacity 5.8)

Motorcyclist, September 2004 page 63
BMW R1200GS..........................544 lbs wet, (fuel capacity 5.3)

I remember reading in Motorcyclist some time back, that they weigh each bike on the same scale, battery installed, making sure that bike is full of all fluids including gasoline, in order to find wet weight.

CYCLE WORLD MAGAZINE:
Cycle World, July 2003, page 68
KTM 950 Adventure.....................493 lbs tank full

Cycle World, April 2004, page 24
BMW R1200GS............................496 lbs CLAIMED fully fueled

Cycle World, October 2004, page 41
BMW R1200GS............................505 lbs DRY weight

Apparently sometime in the last 10 years, the GS has lost some wet weight. At least part of that is due to a smaller fuel capacity.

Cycle World September 1994, page 52
BMW R1100GS............................569 lbs tank full, (fuel capacity 6.5)

Edit: Conversion on the common wet weights: KTM 495lb - 224.5kg BMW 544lb - 246.7kg

So, I dunno about the Beemer, but KTM claim a dry weight for the 950 of 198kg, so 224.5kg wet is about right.