Any bikes that a learner should avoid?

[DanielSumi]

Your DT230 uses as much petrol as my 600 .

Good point. But smaller engines works harder. Or so they say. My bandit used to do 160-180km with full (15L) tank. Most of my commuting is on motorways.

[DrunkenMistake]

Your DT230 uses as much petrol as my 600 .

The reason most people say steer away from two strokes is non powervalve ones have ugly power delivery. In general they have a higher need for major maintenance.

^^ +1

that and If I remember right a NSR 250 (2 stroke sports bike) has more Hp at the back wheel than my 4stroke 400. If not more very similar.

And you can get strawberry scented 2 stroke oil, should pull the chicks

[DrunkenMistake]

Good point. But smaller engines works harder. Or so they say. My bandit used to do 160-180km with full (15L) tank. Most of my commuting is on motorways.

I finally had my bike rejetted etc and its doing about 200km to 13L and its all short burst riding, so I cant wait to see what it does on a long trip.

[ducatilover]

^^ +1

that and If I remember right a NSR 250 (2 stroke sports bike) has more Hp at the back wheel than my 4stroke 400. If not more very similar.

And you can get strawberry scented 2 stroke oil, should pull the chicks

Once the old NSR250 etc were derestricted the could just manage to outrun the 400s in a straight line, impressive wee things. Didn't sound as good as a VFR though...
Strawberry scented 2 stroke oil? That would be Honda specific wouldn't it?

[DrunkenMistake]

Once the old NSR250 etc were derestricted the could just manage to outrun the 400s in a straight line, impressive wee things. Didn't sound as good as a VFR though...
Strawberry scented 2 stroke oil? That would be Honda specific wouldn't it?

Haha I would think so,
I think it comes with optional pink tassles.

[ducatilover]

Haha I would think so,
I think it comes with optional pink tassles.

My Hondas did.

I'm going to have to stop the Honda bashing when I get another one.

[EJK]

I'd say stay away from Chinese brands. Never owned one but heard plenty of unfortunate stories.

[DrunkenMistake]

My Hondas did.

I'm going to have to stop the Honda bashing when I get another one.

I still own one..

I'd say stay away from Chinese brands. Never owned one but heard plenty of unfortunate stories.

+1 I have herd some nasty stories about shit welds etc etc
If all else fails go for the mighty GN, but make sure you get new tyres if you buy it new! factory tyres are like plastic, the bike will rust away to dust before the tyres even show any age.

[baptist]

My Hondas did.

I'm going to have to stop the Honda bashing when I get another one.

... Don't do it, life is not that bad...

[ducatilover]

... Don't do it, life is not that bad...

Touche.

[Oblivion]

+1 I have herd some nasty stories about shit welds etc etc
If all else fails go for the mighty GN, but make sure you get new tyres if you buy it new! factory tyres are like plastic, the bike will rust away to dust before the tyres even show any age.

I agree with you on the plastic tyres bit. I have had the current tyres in mine for more then 3k kms and there still little to no wear on them. They have absolute horrible grip, but they are good for teaching me to keep control of the bike. Except that one time I hit a puddle of diesel coming round a roundabout. Had to use my knee

[DrunkenMistake]

I agree with you on the plastic tyres bit. I have had the current tyres in mine for more then 3k kms and there still little to no wear on them. They have absolute horrible grip, but they are good for teaching me to keep control of the bike. Except that one time I hit a puddle of diesel coming round a roundabout. Had to use my knee

Iv seen some messy intersection stopping with GN's in the wet,
even in the dry! .. Fuck that! haha, Hell I have had two bikes so far and both have been second hand, and I have replaced both sets of tyres with brand new or near new tyres of an excellent quality. Its the difference between be staying on the bike, and sliding around a corner

[Brayden]

Don't buy something you'll get bored of like a Scorpio or GN250, my mate was sick of his GN after 2 weeks!

[DrunkenMistake]

Don't buy something you'll get bored of like a Scorpio or GN250, my mate was sick of his GN after 2 weeks!

its a 250,
Your gonna get sick of it pretty quick lets me honest.

[ducatilover]

Don't buy something you'll get bored of like a Scorpio or GN250, my mate was sick of his GN after 2 weeks!

It all depends on how you ride. You can have a laugh on a GN. I did 11,000km on mine, sure the power got boring after the first 20 seconds, but, you could abuse the shit out of it and get some hilarious lean angles on the sport demons. Scorpio is a better bike IMHO though
Your Spada is always my first recommendation for a learner though, awesome all round bike, mine sounded mad with the twin pipes and equal length headers, went well too. It's the only 250 I have ridden that I am comfortable doing 500km a day on.