Cheesecutter campaign - losing the battle

[Ocean1]

Interesting.

He obviously recognises and accepts a need for barriers to prevent car drivers dying.

But if motorcyclists hit his barriers it's a behavioral issue.

So it's all our fault. Again.

[riffer]

One could see it that way.

Another way of seeing it is that car drivers are incompetent morons who need to be protected from themselves and others.

And motorcyclists are hyperintelligent overachievers constantly seeking new boundaries.

[scumdog]

Interesting.

He obviously recognises and accepts a need for barriers to prevent car drivers dying.

And to prevent loser car drivers from crossing the centre-line into the path of motorcyclists.

[Katman]

Interesting.

He obviously recognises and accepts a need for barriers to prevent car drivers dying.

But if motorcyclists hit his barriers it's a behavioral issue.

So it's all our fault. Again.

As was said, without the excessive speed the outcome could very well have been completely different.

[Ocean1]

One could see it that way.

Wasn't me seeing it, I was commenting on his outrageously biased defence of de fence.

Now seems obvious where Nick get’s his facts from.

[Ocean1]

As was said, without the excessive speed the outcome could very well have been completely different.

But it wasn't said of car drivers, was it? Just bike riders.

The whole diatribe reeks of prejudicial spin. I could almost think you wrote it.

[Katman]

But it wasn't said of car drivers, was it? Just bike riders.

Maybe none of the car drivers were doing 200kph.

[Ocean1]

Maybe none of the car drivers were doing 200kph.

Yeah. Pure as driven snow, yer non biker, eh?

Jerk.

[Katman]

Yeah. Pure as driven snow, yer non biker, eh?

Jerk.

Just putting it out there.

Twat.

[riffer]

You two should get a room.

[DEATH_INC.]

http://www.columbian.com/news/2010/m...crete-barrier/

http://www.seattlecaraccidentlawyerb...cident_ki.html

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/199...-barrier-crash

http://gonebutnotforgotten.wordpress...-motorcyclist/

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-orange-county

http://www.4injured-losangeles.com/i...ident-kills-2/

http://www.newsday.co.tt/crime_and_court/0,145910.html

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...erstate_5.html

http://www.plg-pllc.com/washington-p...jury-attorney/

http://www.injuryinsider.com/2011/04...h-near-safeco/

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...ncrete-barrier

All very interesting, but how many would have survived the same collision with a wrb?

For the sake of balanced content, here is some evidence of WRBs contributing to motorcyclist deaths:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORIA...DER/41596.html

http://www.mravic.org.au/forum/modul...p?storyid=1017

It's a lot harder to find them.

And of course, would these guys have survived if there was something else there? As for the being a lot harder to find, I suspect that is answered by your other post, where they basically say they scare the shit out of us, so we are more careful around them. I guess if that's what we want, then they are onto a winner.
Personally, I'd much rather ENJOY riding.

[Maha]

....I like Massdam

[riffer]

I suspect that is answered by your other post, where they basically say they scare the shit out of us, so we are more careful around them. I guess if that's what we want, then they are onto a winner.
Personally, I'd much rather ENJOY riding.

Undoubtedly we'll all rather ENJOY riding. And I suspect your speculation that the fear factor is a great persuader is right on the button there.

How many of us will push a little bit hard whenever we see that there's a cheesecutter "protecting" us from other road users?

Didn't think so.

[Fatt Max]

Did you do anything Doug? Write to someone? MP? Local paper?

See, everybody wants someone else to take the lead, and do something about it, when it should be that if an issue upsets you, you should be the one to do something about it.

Got it in one mate.....but as so many people within the 'protest' movement told me, "What the fuck do I know".....

But moving forward, if we could only unite as a biker community and get in behind all these issues en masse, then you never know what could happen. My attempt to do that failed and I believe it was simply the fact that I was not well known or respected enough, and thats fine.

It just saddened me whan people who DID have the balls to stand up and be counted got knocked back time and time again. We are only human and you can only take so much I suppose.

I believe MAG are lobbying this, not sure about BRONZ, but rather than write them off, get involved......but then, (____see statement in red____)