WCC is about to stab all motorcyclists in the back

[Ratti]

Remind myself that I'm lucky to live in Taupo.

So essentially our fight is nothing to do with you, but you still feel obliged to add your opinion.

yup, yup, yup.

Muppets rule.

[oneofsix]

So essentially our fight is nothing to do with you, but you still feel obliged to add your opinion.

yup, yup, yup.

Muppets rule.

Gave him the chance to be negative. No wonder coming from a hole in the middle of the island.

[Katman]

So essentially our fight is nothing to do with you, but you still feel obliged to add your opinion.

yup, yup, yup.

Muppets rule.

Do you expect me to ride down to Wellington for a half hour meeting about something that doesn't affect me personally?

My comments on this thread have been confined to the matter of showing motorcycling in a poor light simply to try strengthening your own agenda.

[Ratti]

Apart from the illadvised comments from Stoney,( one mans opinion ) what has shown motorcyclists in a bad light?
Is it the fact the some of us are trying to work WITH WCC to resolve this issue? O dear, what approach would you suggest?
Not that it's anything to do with you, but I'm sure that, as always, you have the only correct answer

[Katman]

Apart from the illadvised comments from Stoney,( one mans opinion ) what has shown motorcyclists in a bad light?

Nothing else.

Stoney's "ill-advised comments" are exactly what show motorcyclists in a bad light.

Resorting to threats to get ones way will achieve nothing in the long run other than making it harder for motorcyclists to gain a sympathetic ear.

[riffer]

This discussion is getting pointless.

What matters is this:

1. Council Officers at WCC did the dirty on motorcyclists
2. A conversation was had with a reporter that was reported out of context, causing StoneY to look rather bad
3. DomPost tried to stir up trouble in the hope that there'd be a running battle between motorcyclists and rugby fans
4. We decided to ignore this DomPost FUBAR and go to Council and presented the facts as we saw them.
5. Council decided to "let the report lie on the table"

Anything other than this is just a further attempt to try and inflame the situation. I would suggest that StoneY and Katman resolve their feud elsewhere because it ain't helping motorcyclists.

If you guys are going to try and score points and stir shit I'll ask the mods to lock this thread.

[Katman]

[*]A conversation was had with a reporter that was reported out of context, causing StoneY to look rather bad

You might buy the "off the record - out of context" story Simon. I don't.

And it's not Stoney that Stoney made to "look rather bad". It's motorcyclists in general that Stoney made to "look rather bad".

[Str8 Jacket]

My hand bag is bigger than all of yours!

[riffer]

You might buy the "off the record - out of context" story Simon. I don't.

And it's not Stoney that Stoney made to "look rather bad". It's motorcyclists in general that Stoney made to "look rather bad".

Not what I'm saying Steve. I'm saying that in the grand course of things, it hardly rates in terms of "things that upset the public".

I upset more people every day by lane splitting to work.

Most people have thin skins. Especially kiwibikers. WCC knew the reality behind the comments. DomPost knew the reality. Most intelligent people knew the reality.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If you guys are going to try and score points and stir shit I'll ask the mods to lock this thread.

Then what would we do for entertainment?

[Katman]

Not what I'm saying Steve. I'm saying that in the grand course of things, it hardly rates in terms of "things that upset the public".

I upset more people every day by lane splitting to work.

Most people have thin skins. Especially kiwibikers. WCC knew the reality behind the comments. DomPost knew the reality. Most intelligent people knew the reality.

I applaud your ability to get your points across at the meeting in a reasoned manner without resorting to threats Simon.

Perhaps someone should gag The Mouthpiece until he shows the same ability.

[DougieNZ]

Katman isn't the only one upset by this I suspect. Personally I have no problem with anything (in fact I applaud the effort) other than the RWC disruption threat.

If an apology were to be made or even a hint that the wrong thing may have been done I think there would be a lot less ill feeling on this issue.

Instead we trot out the "I thought it was off the record" statement and the bizzare "though I clearly did threaten the RWC I actually didn't" comments.

Anyone making statements like that must be of the perception we are all a bit thick.

There also seems to be no comment of lessons learnt here. I almost get the feeling there would be no hesitation to do something just as stupid and damaging to motorcylists next time. My only comment to that is - next time name the people who agree with the threat to disrupt the Rugby World Cup. If you want to make these rash threats - take responsibility for them. This will prevent us all being tarred witn the same brush. I suspect the name list will be short......

[oneofsix]

Katman isn't the only one upset by this I suspect. Personally I have no problem with anything (in fact I applaud the effort) other than the RWC disruption threat.

If an apology were to be made or even a hint that the wrong thing may have been done I think there would be a lot less ill feeling on this issue.

Instead we trot out the "I thought it was off the record" statement and the bizzare "though I clearly did threaten the RWC I actually didn't" comments.

Anyone making statements like that must be of the perception we are all a bit thick.

There also seems to be no comment of lessons learnt here. I almost get the feeling there would be no hesitation to do something just as stupid and damaging to motorcylists next time. My only comment to that is - next time name the people who agree with the threat to disrupt the Rugby World Cup. If you want to make these rash threats - take responsibility for them. This will prevent us all being tarred witn the same brush. I suspect the name list will be short......

It appears you guys are suffering from the battered spouse syndrome. You appear to think by appeasing them they will stop hitting you (motorcyclists). You are wrong! Look at the attitude of the council to those that turned up in support, they (the council) expected disruption and in the end had to pick on the applause, how sad. The attitude has been set by the media and movies like "The Wild Bunch", not by the actions of the NZ motorcycling public.
The movie industry demonstrated how to deal with NZ pollies when they threatened to with draw The Hobbit over an artificial dispute and then forced through Section 92a of the copy-write act. The French Bikers showed how to deal with politicians with their distribution. Don't get precious about the RWC (shite look to Adidas, its a rip off anyhow), any event, like the break up of parliment will do (and that one was included in the threat).

Speak softly but carry a big stick.

Well done BRONZ WN

[swbarnett]

If an apology were to be made or even a hint that the wrong thing may have been done I think there would be a lot less ill feeling on this issue.

But then we only look weak and any future threats are not taken seriously. AKA "Crying Wolf".

[Usarka]

Recent media events have shown that "off the record" is no longer something held to by NZ media. Sensationalism and profit outweigh ethical journalism these days.

The lesson that needs to be learnt here is - no matter how nice they seem don't trust the cunts.

If you think you can handle the media better, post up a youtube clip where you've been interviewed on a controversial subject. Otherwise STFU.