WCC is about to stab all motorcyclists in the back

[Crasherfromwayback]

The bikoi was well supported because it was done in a legal manner. The action you propose won't be. In fact it would be doing a huge disservice to motorcylists.

With you there!

[Katman]

Hey, all is not lost though.

At least Stoney got his face in a newspaper again.

[Bald Eagle]

The problem seems to be with the councils idealogical stance which uses a transport demand approach to transport management by ideological constraint based on
attitudes to ‘correct’ or ‘incorrect’ transport modes.

Instead of utilising the full range of modes in the transport ‘toolbox, and formulating policy which gives all transport modes equal consideration and value.

[StoneY]

BIKOI cannot be compared to this issue, its local not national (but could be - if Wellington falls, the rest will follow)

Our argument is based on accepted international standards, motorcycles get free parking world wide (99% of major urban metropolitan area's provide this) in recognition of the fact they are part of the solution to congestion and all the other benefits we already know

Reporters are pretty clever
How that article reads is not exactly what I said
I eluded to us being 'prepared to take positive action, some may be mildly disruptive' during an upcoming international event
He wrote the rest.

As far as I am concerned, the goal here is to force a re-write of report 4.

Remove the inflammatory anti-motorcycle content based on poor facts
Also to reject access to PnD - it doesn't work for us at all....... it works against us.
80c per hour ????
Get real there's no way a bike will be allowed a whole car space at that rate. Wake up.

I have just returned to work from meeting a council parking official who has granted us access to lower Cuba street to park up to 100 bikes untill 11am Thursday Morning

Anyone have any road cones we can deploy?
Oh and same official wished us luck...he rides a bike as well and hopes we achieve the goals above

[DougieNZ]

Hmmm wouldn't have taken much to link that with "Motorcyclists will take action during the Rugby World Cup" then. Sensation sells newspapers.

This is noting personal against anyone. In fact I appreciate what you are trying to achieve and particularly the passion you are showing in this mainly lethargic world.

My blood just boils when I hear about people threatening to disrupt the rugby world cup. This is the one chance we have (or maybe will have for many years) to showcase our country in a positive light, encourage tourism, create jobs as a result etc etc. I get very annoyed when I hear people threatening to spoil the show and potentially do our country a major disservice.

Once such threats are made and not carried through with credibility is damaged. One would be much better to have not made the threats in the first place.

Good luck for Thursday. The classic no-win. Most people work during the week. Councils don't work wekeends... I hope you get a good turnout anyway.

[Dodgy_Matt]

I hate to be the stick in the mud here...

But just why can a group of road users demand free parking. Personally I don't mind paying my way if I use a park. Maybe then it will not be impossible to find a park in the CBD like it is now! Make parking buidings free and charge for the street parks I say. This will free some parks up very quickly.

The only issue with that is that they are talking about charging for parking buildings as they are P&D.
Its one of issues they are hot on.

Other motorists have to pay for parking in a building and yet they see 100's of bikes parking for free... its not well liked

[Dodgy_Matt]

Hmmm wouldn't have taken much to link that with "Motorcyclists will take action during the Rugby World Cup" then. Sensation sells newspapers.

This is noting personal against anyone. In fact I appreciate what you are trying to achieve and particularly the passion you are showing in this mainly lethargic world.

My blood just boils when I hear about people threatening to disrupt the rugby world cup. This is the one chance we have (or maybe will have for many years) to showcase our country in a positive light, encourage tourism, create jobs as a result etc etc. I get very annoyed when I hear people threatening to spoil the show and potentially do our country a major disservice.

Once such threats are made and not carried through with credibility is damaged. One would be much better to have not made the threats in the first place.

The RWC is costing us millions for not a huge or on going financial return.

[allycatz]

If a largish group of bikes choose to ride together to go watch a world cup game in town in a pub somewhere how is that illegal.....thousands of cars will be doing the same thing. I don't suggest stopping on the motorways but a wee bit of traffic congestion is to be expected

[Bald Eagle]

I predict two losses here;

The Rugby World Cup - games
The rugby world Cup - business

... I don't want to make it 3 from 3 .

[DougieNZ]

This isn't a rugby world cup debate I know. But just to answer the couple of comments made. YES the RWC will not make a profit on paper. But it is the future benefits we have put the money up front for. And, yes, I understand that is open for debate in itself! :-)

Back to the main topic. I think the organisers should clearly state what their plans are to "disrupt" things at the meeting on Thursday. If they are going to sit quietly and show force of numbers there will be no problems. If they intend to disrupt the meeting and are asked to leave and don't they will be liabile for arrest. So what is the plan people?

I attended a "peaceful protest" once. Next thing I knew people were yelling and carrying on and the speaker (quite rightly) got the police involved. The organisers should be up front with their intentions.

[StoneY]

I attended a "peaceful protest" once. Next thing I knew people were yelling and carrying on and the speaker (quite rightly) got the police involved. The organisers should be up front with their intentions.

we have been for 9 solid months...its the council who played dirty
We intend to present our case with a QUIET show of force supporting us

BRONZ will do the talking on the day with a 3 man representative team from our committee

We need a reasonable show of numbers there to support us in spirit, we are NOT planning to disrupt the council meeting but merely to attend and attend with support.

Disruption will be if we are not able to have the prejudice removed from Report 4

[Smifffy]

Just like the ongoing benefits we are all still reaping from the Americas cup?

Just imagine the sad state the economy would be in today if we hadn't made that shrewd investment.

This isn't a rugby world cup debate I know. But just to answer the couple of comments made. YES the RWC will not make a profit on paper. But it is the future benefits we have put the money up front for. And, yes, I understand that is open for debate in itself! :-)

Back to the main topic. I think the organisers should clearly state what their plans are to "disrupt" things at the meeting on Thursday. If they are going to sit quietly and show force of numbers there will be no problems. If they intend to disrupt the meeting and are asked to leave and don't they will be liabile for arrest. So what is the plan people?

I attended a "peaceful protest" once. Next thing I knew people were yelling and carrying on and the speaker (quite rightly) got the police involved. The organisers should be up front with their intentions.

[DougieNZ]

I like your thinking... exactly like that!

There were heaps of naysayers at the time!

[Katman]

Whooooosh.

[StoneY]

Whooooosh.

Dude, either you have something decent to add to the thread or just piss off.

As I doubt you ever actually RIDE a bike let alone come to Wellington, this issue is of no concern to a doomsayer like you and the bullshit that dribbles down your chin