WCC is about to stab all motorcyclists in the back

**cheshirecat** · 2nd August 2011, 18:03

Personal view yet again. Campaigns like this are difficult to manage with a cohesive focus since we by definition are an independant thinking unfocussed group. However this can also be an advantage. I saw last year in London are small numbers made a difference. NOTOTHEMOB were v good, NTBPT alienated many of the public especially car owners by blocking traf square.I think we can learn from this as WCC must be counting on lack of public support because we are getting free parking when cars are forking out some of the highest fees in the world. See the Dom Poll.
For want of a better word our dysfunction, can be used to its advantage. We have a few negotiating with council (doing a really good job), we have a few wishing disruption, a few doing this and that, a few bikes blocking WCC offices and charging for entry, a few bikes taking up car spaces along LQ at critical times, a few putting a media campaign, a few Shunting. All these little things could add up. we can harness the fustration of cabbies trying to park, car owners getting pinged by the camera car, cyclist lack of lanes, etc.The council is also venerable in other areas - accuracy and reliability of their reports, pollution in a big way and so forth. Anyway I'm going to do my bit - legal and truthful down to the letter. Motorcylces are flexible, independant, diverse and vociforous.

**Paul in NZ** · 2nd August 2011, 18:58

Sigh.....

WCC is not stabbing bikers in the back - in actual fact they dont really like ANY form of private transport. They are pretty upfront about it.

I'm not sure where this is going really....

**theseekerfinds** · 2nd August 2011, 21:34

the Americas Cup.. what a joke that was.. and for what? Nothing that's what.. the Rugby World Cup, will you smash that trophy up too?? showcasing New Zealand my arse, so far the whole world thinks this country is full of rip off merchants and greedy business folk since the RWC bullshit commenced.. some of these posts are pretty humourous in terms of apathy and a genuine lack of any understanding of what will happen in a few years time if this goes ahead and the free parking is removed.. next they will increase parking charges for bikes to the full $4 an hour, then they will remove all the motorcycle only parks, then they will make it so bikes can't park in carparks and then the thieves will realise that bikes in parking buildings are very vulnerable indeed.. all I am seeing from the majority on this thread is shortsightedness on a scale only seen when NZ plays France and you fools think you may actually win for once

apathy and disarray are the real enemies here and we seem to be falling right into the trap..

while I in no way subscribe to protests that hinder the public's ability to do their thing, this is no different to the firefighters going on strike, or the police threatening the same thing.. they all want their position to be seen, and the importance of it to them to be understood.. and that means an impact must be made.. this is far more important in the long term than a bunch of games that will provide nothing more than a series of results for people to hang onto for decades to come as they recall how poorly their national team played, how they once again lost to the French and how 1987 really was as good as it ever got.. meanwhile you will be paying $5 to park your bike for 30 mins an hour from wherever you need to be and they will have figured out how to police it with large scale ticketing and special clamps to clamp your bike and you will have to come up with $200 to get it un clamped, and all for the sake of not wanting to support a mild show of solidarity against a council who will do more than take away your ability to park your bike for free.. some folks on here really do need to wake up and see the reality of the future some in the council are trying to achieve.. when the rugby is over this issue will be still going full steam ahead and if we lose out then all motorcyclists stand to lose out because you can bet it won't end with WCC.. show up and be part of the solution don't sit by and watch this end in WCC saying to Hamilton and Christchurch City Councils "we knew they were a bunch of apathetic bastards who couldn't organise a root in a brothel.. cha-ching"

**Berries** · 2nd August 2011, 21:38

I'm still not sure how any council can enforce pay and display for motorbikes. With no secure place to put the ticket there is a very good chance that the wind will dislodge it or some thieving tightarse just walk away with it. I am sure the admin costs involved in responding to all the people who complain about getting booked for failing to display a ticket wouldn't be worth it, unless they are going to be running a different system.

**riffer** · 2nd August 2011, 21:42

Originally Posted by Berries

I'm still not sure how any council can enforce pay and display for motorbikes. With no secure place to put the ticket there is a very good chance that the wind will dislodge it or some thieving tightarse just walk away with it. I am sure the admin costs involved in responding to all the people who complain about getting booked for failing to display a ticket wouldn't be worth it, unless they are going to be running a different system.

Have you read Report 4? The believe they can get the money back from their investment in little over a year.

It's going to cost around $650,000 in the first year of ratepayers money to see if they can make this work.

And yes, they are proposing a number of alternatives. Read the report please.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 2nd August 2011, 21:47

Originally Posted by theseekerfinds

when NZ plays France and you fools think you may actually win for once

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We'll smash those snail eating cunts into the turf, along with every other bunch of pooftas. AB's FTW!!!

**StoneY** · 3rd August 2011, 07:51

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

We'll smash those snail eating cunts into the turf, along with every other bunch of pooftas. AB's FTW!!!

Showing ya age Crasher (<<<< runs and hides behind Riffer >>>>)

**Bald Eagle** · 3rd August 2011, 08:24

Originally Posted by theseekerfinds

"we knew they were a bunch of apathetic bastards

I'm reminded of that quote about. "All that's needed for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."

The great Kiwi apathy machine is alive and well in godzone, and it parks for free on all the couches and office chairs up and down the country.

**DougieNZ** · 3rd August 2011, 08:54

Originally Posted by Bald Eagle

I'm reminded of that quote about. "All that's needed for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."

And I'm reminded that this is the most often used quote ever! Usually by people who refuse to accept others point of view! I think it may have had a different meaning than a dispute with the WCC about parking! :-)

It makes a couple of assumptions. WCC is "evil" and we are "good". Neither blanket assumption is true in my opinion.

It particularly alleges that if we have a different viewpoint to you that we are not "good men". Sorry, but I disagree. I also diisagree that people that don't agree with your strategy and threats are apathetic. Organise a legal and valid protest at lunchtime that doesn't unnecessarily impinge on the rights of other citizens and people may turn up.

This statement along with the threatened disruption to the RWC does nothing to help your cause in my view.

Again - no disrespect to the organisers. You are passionate about this and rightly so. Just don't expect everyone to neccessarily agree.

**Dodgy_Matt** · 3rd August 2011, 14:51

This is an interesting read....
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...at-to-vibrancy

But this explains why they changed their tune and now want Bike’s to pay for parking

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...-fee-increases

**oneofsix** · 3rd August 2011, 15:02

Originally Posted by Dodgy_Matt

This is an interesting read....
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...at-to-vibrancy

They created an excess in supply with their last price hike it also reduced parking turn-over which is the opposite of it aim so the council thinks its a good idea to do it again.

I already do not come into Wellington for entertainment. The only reason I come to this city at all is work, and because I am in here for work I spend some money in the shops. Once the workers start to resist coming to town, working remotely is increasingly an option, then pity the retailers.
If I can't park my bike for free in Wellington but can in Porirua or Lower Hutt the maths is easy

**StoneY** · 3rd August 2011, 16:50

Just show up at Cuba Street between 830 and 900am tomorrow flks, join us at the council at 9.15 to see support democracy

**NONONO** · 3rd August 2011, 18:39

Good luck tomorrow.
You should get enough to show your pissed off. Who knows, apathy or complacency may not rule this time
Don't turn up? Then don't moan about how your way of life keeps getting shafted.