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[MSTRS:Me]

Islam has absolutely nothing to do with what these scoundrels perpetrate.

good like Bush is trying

Most of us realise that these 'events' have nothing to do with the tenets of Islam, but since the perpetrators call themselves Moslem, it becomes the de facto focus of our collective abhorrence of the bombings.
but who said that Bush is doing 'good'? To a lot of people around the world, he is just as bad as Osama & his ilk.

[justsomeguy]

Most of us realise that these 'events' have nothing to do with the tenets of Islam, but since the perpetrators call themselves Moslem, it becomes the de facto focus of our collective abhorrence of the bombings.
but who said that Bush is doing 'good'? To a lot of people around the world, he is just as bad as Osama & his ilk.

I think Bush is an arsehole - he's gonna join his dad in hell.....He's ruined Iraq and Afghanistan - killed scores and what has he achieved??? Saddam is probably in house arrest at the Hyatt somewhere and Osama is probably lounging at some tropical island looking at the sun set.

I realise that these people call themselves Muslims - But I think they do that as it sounds better and carries more weight than calling themselves Thomas, Richard or Harris.

[MSTRS:Me]

Or, indeed, Graeme (Capill)

[Ghost Lemur]

...but we also produce some of the most efficient, cold-blooded killers in the world.

Hell yes.

And not just recently either. The first holacaust was british, also invented the concentration camp.

You know what they say, got to be careful of the quiet one's.

[parsley]

The first holacaust was british, also invented the concentration camp.

Eh? I know the great British Empire (tm) was responsible for more than a few massacres but I don't think we can claim to have invented holocausts or concentration camps. The word holocaust is Greek for a start.

You know what they say, got to be careful of the quiet one's.

Quiet ones? You've obviously never been around Poms when they're drinking.

[Bob]

Eh? I know the great British Empire (tm) was responsible for more than a few massacres but I don't think we can claim to have invented holocausts or concentration camps. The word holocaust is Greek for a start.

Quiet ones? You've obviously never been around Poms when they're drinking.

Actually, we created concentration camps during the Boer War in South Africa. This little link throws a touch more light on the tale:

http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/ss...ica/boers.html

Tasmania of course, also saw the rather unique (at that time) British method of 'cleaning the place up'... by starting at one end of the island and heading to the other end, shooting all natives that were spotted. Once this was done, the few remaining were hurded up and placed in a concentraton camp. Again, details available at:

http://www.justpacific.com/tasmania/first.html

So no, we're not exactly innocents... but that was a long time ago...

[Lou Girardin]

Bush Snr is still alive and he regarded the invasion of Iraq as a mistake. That doesn't make him better though, he sat on his hands and allowed Saddam to gas the Kurds after GW2.
I did note the 'moderate' muslims distancing themselves from the terrorists, but the problem still stands that, even in this day and age, sharia law is vicious and repessive. Just last week Ashraf Choudry, one of our MP's, said he agreed with the stoning of homosexuals and (female) adulterers.
Muslims have to get past this literal interpretation of the Koran, as have Christians. Although some would have us go backwards, George Dubya is a proven killer, it's just that his methods are "scientific".

[v.ros`]

Bush Snr is still alive and he regarded the invasion of Iraq as a mistake. That doesn't make him better though, he sat on his hands and allowed Saddam to gas the Kurds after GW2.
I did note the 'moderate' muslims distancing themselves from the terrorists, but the problem still stands that, even in this day and age, sharia law is vicious and repessive. Just last week Ashraf Choudry, one of our MP's, said he agreed with the stoning of homosexuals and (female) adulterers.
Muslims have to get past this literal interpretation of the Koran, as have Christians. Although some would have us go backwards, George Dubya is a proven killer, it's just that his methods are "scientific".

That is your view about the shariah law. it doesnt necesarrily mean that it is vicious and repressive. Im not saying the whole world should start the shariah law - but if a country is run by a muslim, then dont you think you should respect their law and rights. By running a country with Sharaih law, it does reduce the level of crime as the punishment will mostly scare the people. Shariah law also doesnt say that everyone in the country will have to turn into Islam or get killed - shariah law fully gives rights and repsects other religion as well.

Regarding the muslim mps view, well he did say in the interview that he belived in stoning the homosexuals and adulterers, well he also said that he belives that should be the case only in a country which follows the shariah law and not NZ as NZ is predominately (Sp?) a christain country.

[pete376403]

Comments by John Pilger and Robert Fisk
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/071005X.shtml
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070905Z.shtml

[Paul in NZ]

Sigh.....

There are always problems... If you are a powerful country, what DO you do about countries that have governments that foster terrorists and abuse there own citizens? Either way you are stuffed... It's a bit like Mike Tyson walking down the street and seeing a big woman mugging a small bloke. Hes stuffed no matter what he does.

(no I'm not defending the invasion)

The world is just full of arseholes... Arseholes that know better than everyone else and insist that well all do what the %^&k we are told and shut up about it. We certainly have our own version here but they generally satisfy themselves by taxing us to death and tut tutting over everything else (the political ones anyway - the commercial ones are 2 busy selling dodgy shite, planting pine trees and dredging up coral)

Personally... Divide Iraq in half. If you want to live in an Islamic democracy this side of the line, Islamic theocracy that side of the line...

Everyone gets to choose and nobody bitches about it afterwards.

[Lou Girardin]

That is your view about the shariah law. it doesnt necesarrily mean that it is vicious and repressive. Im not saying the whole world should start the shariah law - but if a country is run by a muslim, then dont you think you should respect their law and rights. By running a country with Sharaih law, it does reduce the level of crime as the punishment will mostly scare the people. Shariah law also doesnt say that everyone in the country will have to turn into Islam or get killed - shariah law fully gives rights and repsects other religion as well.

Regarding the muslim mps view, well he did say in the interview that he belived in stoning the homosexuals and adulterers, well he also said that he belives that should be the case only in a country which follows the shariah law and not NZ as NZ is predominately (Sp?) a christain country.

Stoning adulterers is, by definition, vicious and repressive. Are you also in favour of burning witches? That used to be Christian law, part of our culture.
One interpretation of the Koran says that infidels must face the fires. Infidels are the non-muslims. Ergo, if you're not a muslim, you must die.
As it's the fastest growing religeon, if NZ does become muslim, will we then become subject to shariah law? Will it be acceptable if it's the majority belief?
Then again, is Choudry not subjugating his beliefs to the law of the infidel?
He would be condemned to death for that under shariah law.
I'm sorry, but any religeon that advocates death for so many transgressions is not acceptable in an enlightened society.

[Ixion]

Is not Shariah law, by definition, only applicable to Muslims ? If so, whilst not wanting to be subject to it myself, I do tend to think that if others want to be so bound, it's really up to them. I would only have an issue if someone started wanting to forcibly apply it to unwilling recipients.

Even today some of the opinions of the more fundamentalist Christians can be pretty scarey.

There doesn't seem any good acceptable to all solution to these things. Sometimes wish the Big Fella would come down and sort us out.

"For heathen heart that puts her trust
In reeking tube and iron shard,
All valiant dust that builds on dust,
And guarding, calls not Thee to guard,
For frantic boast and foolish word
Thy mercy on Thy People, Lord! "

And, to forestall, the "heathen" was anyone who trusted to reeking tube and iron shard, not any particular faith.

[Clockwork]

Sigh.....

............Personally... Divide Iraq in half. If you want to live in an Islamic democracy this side of the line, Islamic theocracy that side of the line...

Everyone gets to choose and nobody bitches about it afterwards.

Hmmmm, that didn't work too well in Ireland.

[Deano]

Just last week Ashraf Choudry, one of our MP's, said he agreed with the stoning of homosexuals and (female) adulterers.

Muslims have to get past this literal interpretation of the Koran.

Of particular concern was that he just said "if it's in the Koran then I believe it". - He didn't appear to know the Koran/religion very well at all.

Blind faith ??

Regarding the muslim mps view, well he did say in the interview that he belived in stoning the homosexuals and adulterers, well he also said that he belives that should be the case only in a country which follows the shariah law and not NZ as NZ is predominately (Sp?) a christain country.

I think it's dangerous to expect that in any given situation, some devout Muslims (or any other religious followers), will place the laws of the land above their God's law.

[Paul in NZ]

Hmmmm, that didn't work too well in Ireland.

Haha! Too true mate....

Cheers