Collected some revenue today

[arcane12]

You're not listening. If I believe it's safer for me to break a road rule than comply with it then I will do so. Every time. By implication such behaiour is both perfectly rational and safer for those sharing the road with me at that point.

I'd quote examples, but I'm sure your imagination, should you consult it would furnish you with examples where you'd behave similarly.

Ok, I'll give you that one as with a re-read I realised you said SAFER. My mistake. Safety is what the laws are about.

However my point, which you may not have been listening to was that in most circumstances there should be no need to cut a corner. If so it probably means the road user who is cutting the corner did not plan the corner correctly. Most of the time a corner is cut the person is choosing to enter the other side of the road rather than drive better/safer. That choice, to increase the risk to other road users, should not be acceptable.

I will also mention that I am not a complete safety crazed individual. I understand that sometimes we have to make allowances for less than 100% safe practices - like allowing less than fully trained drivers on our roads! But how else can we learn? And motorbikes! They are death traps right? (lets also not get into a discussion on road 'stats') At some point we have to say 'Safe enough'. It's the choice to reduce the safety of others when there is no need that really gets to me. If it's fun to take the corner at a high speed (eg. increased risk) isn't it more fun to do so inside your own lane, increasing the difficulty of the maneuver? Meh, I do prattle....

[arcane12]

The stationary vehicle I knew about but this also says that I can cross a yellow line to pass a cyclist, correct? I have to say I have done this as it felt the safest way to avoid prolonged low speed torture or a good rogering from behind (think uphill twisties when driving), but I assumed I was actually liable for a ticket if the poliss disagreed with my reasoning.

Hmm, interesting. I was wondering how that was supposed to work given a car is around 2M wide, the 'bubble' is 1.5M and a road is around 3.5M wide. unless the cycle is over the fog line, you'd have to cross the line to give him the correct gap (which I do, with indication). I also slow and move over when I encounter a certain crazy runner in the mornings. (I am pretty sure he run 5+ kms every morning (7amish), next to open roads. Darn fit freaks )

[swbarnett]

The only extension I know is IAM, the Institute of Advanced Motorists, which is based off the police training.

Cutting corners is certainly not taught or permitted as part of an assessment. Using your piece of the road to full extent is taught, increasing sight angles for safety and visibility.

It was referred to as "straight-lining" - cutting a corner that has a lot of visibility. As I said, my info source was not exactly the most reliable.

[swbarnett]

I will try your advice next time I'm driving a truck.

What advise? All I said was that sticking to the letter of the law is no guarentee of safety.

[swbarnett]

the rules are made in consultation with the relevant advisory services and in discussions in the House and Caucus.

I wouldn't trust those "advisory services" as far as I could throw them. As I said - "a bunch of beurocrats that know nothing about driving". And besides, the final decision is made by a politician.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I wouldn't trust those "advisory services" as far as I could throw them. As I said - "a bunch of beurocrats that know nothing about driving". And besides, the final decision is made by a politician.

The same clowns who ignored advice from thier own experts backed by over 50 years of specialist research, and allowed untreated framing for political expediency. That is making the cost of the chch re-build pale into near insignificance. Yup they have our best interests at heart



Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools.

It's pretty simple really just go back through this thread and you can see which is which.

[scracha]

Now being a little less dramatic, I used to cut the corners a bit back in the day, but really whats the point? I hope my driving (and soon my riding) has/will develop to the point that I can maintain a good, but safe speed around corners AND stay in my own lane. Everytime I chose to take an action that might break the law I have to think why am I risking my safety, and the safety of others?

Nope, sorry....on wide open roads where I can see right through the bend and well beyond it and there's no other vehicles, then there's no way in hell I'm slowing down and taking unnecessary angle of lean just to stay in the left hand lane, especially in the wet. On left handers I have much better vision through the corner if I approach the bend on the "wrong" side. I am aware of not getting "caught" out on the wrong side of the road by an approaching vehicle suddenly coming into my FOV (like I said..I don't do it if I can't see well past the corner) and not confusing other drivers ahead or behind me. The confusing other drivers bit is important in NZ seein as it's considered naughty here.

You pay for all the road, not just one side.

[scumdog]

You pay for all the road, not just one side.

And you can pay for using all the road, maybe with your life.

Cos one day maybe somebody else was coming the other way and you didn't notice until it was too late.


(Hell ya don't think all those fatal head-ons were caused by people who were on the incorrect side of the road and KNEW there was another vehicle heading towards them, do you?)

But do as you want, you obviously know more than I...

[swbarnett]

And you can pay for using all the road, maybe with your life.

Cos one day maybe somebody else was coming the other way and you didn't notice until it was too late.


(Hell ya don't think all those fatal head-ons were caused by people who were on the incorrect side of the road and KNEW there was another vehicle heading towards them, do you?)

It's a huge leap to lump a rider/driver who only does this "on wide open roads where I can see right through the bend and well beyond it and there's no other vehicles" with the drongos that do it with next to no visibility.

But do as you want, you obviously know more than I...

Well, actually, in any given situation that you are not present they do.

[scumdog]

It's a huge leap to lump a rider/driver who only does this "on wide open roads where I can see right through the bend and well beyond it and there's no other vehicles" with the drongos that do it with next to no visibility.


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Without being too indelicate there are ex-members of KB who had the same line of thought...

[Flip]

I have only come close to taking out one fellow biker. I found him doing the racing lines thing over the Lewis pass a year ago. I don't actually know how he did not end up as a perminant bonnet fixture on my Hilux. It was either I go over the bank or I take him out!

Oh he was on a motoguzi going for it.

[scumdog]

I have only come close to taking out one fellow biker. I found him doing the racing lines thing over the Lewis pass a year ago. I don't actually know how he did not end up as a perminant bonnet fixture on my Hilux. It was either I go over the bank or I take him out!

Oh he was on a motoguzi going for it.

And probably thought 'there's nothing coming, I've got a clear road' too.

[rastuscat]

And probably thought 'there's nothing coming, I've got a clear road' too.

Yeah, and when he got home he logged onto KB and started banging on about how safe it was, how there was nothing coming, how he had been riding for years and never crashed........yaddy yaddy yaddy.

Morning Scummy

[willytheekid]

Collected some revenue today!

....did you Rastuscat?....you sure about that??

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8192...lions-in-fines

...cos thanks to the so called NZ "justice" system, the repeat offenders (Mostly boy racers) who thumb there nose at the law and clock up HUGE!!!! fines etc, are now walking out of court laughing!

...once again...OUR tax money at work! ...and all your great efforts pissed into the wind!


(hope all is well mate...this bullshit has GOT to make you a little pissed)

[swbarnett]

Without being too indelicate there are ex-members of KB who had the same line of thought...

I agree with what you're getting at; there are indeed riders and drivers that think they can do it when they cannot.

However, it's all a matter of degree. What I'm trying to get at is that there are riders and drivers that are quite capable of making an informed decision about visibility and sight lines that result in a perfectly safe manoeuvre; even when using the other side of the road. They way you put it no-one should ever overtake because they can't be trusted to judge the amount of clear road to the next blind spot.