Collected some revenue today

[Edbear]

I agree with what you're getting at; there are indeed riders and drivers that think they can do it when they cannot.

However, it's all a matter of degree. What I'm trying to get at is that there are riders and drivers that are quite capable of making an informed decision about visibility and sight lines that result in a perfectly safe manoeuvre; even when using the other side of the road. They way you put it no-one should ever overtake because they can't be trusted to judge the amount of clear road to the next blind spot.

And how do the cops and lawmakers determine who are the capable ones so as not to legislate against them or pull them over for a ticket ?

[Scuba_Steve]

And how do the cops and lawmakers determine who are the capable ones so as not to legislate against them or pull them over for a ticket ?

By introducing my licence system, then only capable drivers will be on road all others will be relegated to public transport & the PIG dept can be made redundant or upgraded to cops. everyone wins 'cept the political party to introduce such a system that'd see a large percentage of NZ off the road & thus large loss in votes

[Edbear]

By introducing my licence system, then only capable drivers will be on road all others will be relegated to public transport & the PIG dept can be made redundant or upgraded to cops. everyone wins 'cept the political party to introduce such a system that'd see a large percentage of NZ off the road & thus large loss in votes

Practical and realistic as always...

[swbarnett]

And how do the cops and lawmakers determine who are the capable ones so as not to legislate against them or pull them over for a ticket ?

The exact same way they determine who are the capable ones when it comes to overtaking. There are rules around overtaking with regards to clear road ahead; these can easily be applied to straight-lining.

[Edbear]

The exact same way they determine who are the capable ones when it comes to overtaking. There are rules around overtaking with regards to clear road ahead; these can easily be applied to straight-lining.

Yup, and speeding, and Wof's/Reg. etc...

[swbarnett]

Yup, and speeding, and Wof's/Reg. etc...

The difference being that the overtaking laws have some basis in basic physics (except that they don't take account of the extra acceleration and small size of a bike; mostly around the placement of yellow lines). Speeding, well, let's just say that the reasoning is dubious at best, WOFs are on the way out and registration has no bearing whatsoever on safety (even the ACC part).

[scracha]

And you can pay for using all the road, maybe with your life.

Cos one day maybe somebody else was coming the other way and you didn't notice until it was too late.

That's like saying I didn't notice the car in front of me or the bend in the road.....a.k.a. pointless argument. If I'm too stupid to see something in front of me then it matters not what side of the road I'm on.

(Hell ya don't think all those fatal head-ons were caused by people who were on the incorrect side of the road and KNEW there was another vehicle heading towards them, do you?)

I think it was to do with people overtaking at stupid places, crossing the centre line where it's not safe to do so or losing control of their vehicle through travelling at too fast a speed.

But do as you want, you obviously know more than I...

Funny how most of Europe manage to drive on far busier roads, at far higher speeds using both sides of the road where appropriate. For some reason they have waaaay lower road toll per capita too. Couldn't be summit to do with driver education now could it?


Look, dangerous driving is dangerous driving. Being on the "right" side of the road doesn't mean you're driving carefully any more than being on the "wrong" side of the road means you're driving dangerously. Arguments about the evils of speeding follow a similar vein.

It's obvious the cops and government know way more than I because it's obvious that every second state highway should have an 80Km/h speed limit and have two yellow stripes the length of the road.

[PuppetMaster]

Police discretion is non-existent. Passing over yellow lines is not always dangerous. The rapists (police) lost my respect ages ago, when common sense didn't matter and I got a ticket anyway, for taking action that saved my life.
Lucky that 4x4 driver didnt get cop raped.

[Dragon]

Police discretion is non-existent. Passing over yellow lines is not always dangerous. The rapists (police) lost my respect ages ago, when common sense didn't matter and I got a ticket anyway, for taking action that saved my life.
Lucky that 4x4 driver didnt get cop raped.

I find it stupid that if I where to hit a patch of diesel on the road and crash then I'm up for careless driving plus if I hit someone else its careless resulting in injury.

(recently had a friend get done for it even though people had rang in and stated there was diesal on the road but the courts looked at his car (considered to be a boy racer) and raped him)

[Edbear]

I find it stupid that if I where to hit a patch of diesel on the road and crash then I'm up for careless driving plus if I hit someone else its careless resulting in injury.

(recently had a friend get done for it even though people had rang in and stated there was diesal on the road but the courts looked at his car (considered to be a boy racer) and raped him)

When I had my accident the SCU concluded it was due to oil on the road and held me blameless. They checked my stated speed at the time was consistent with the damage, that my van had a WoF and was up to WoF standards, registered, that I had a current licence and was not under the influence if alcohol or drugs. In the emergency ward a very nice Police lady apologised but had to take a blood sample for testing.

If I should not have been on the road for any reason I may have faced charges despite not being at fault.

[Dragon]

When I had my accident the SCU concluded it was due to oil on the road and held me blameless. They checked my stated speed at the time was consistent with the damage, that my van had a WoF and was up to WoF standards, registered, that I had a current licence and was not under the influence if alcohol or drugs. In the emergency ward a very nice Police lady apologised but had to take a blood sample for testing.

If I should not have been on the road for any reason I may have faced charges despite not being at fault.

Car was wofed reged and certed he doesnt drink, car had passengers, blood tests came back clear

Hit a diesel patch on the haywoods at a corner car was doing 90km at the time driver behind him who witnessed it can confirm.

Car slid into and over center barrier was hit by two other cars

Kind of hard to work out speed when the car is completely wreaked from being hit by other cars

Was a 180kwatw skyline however and the cops just decided that he was being a muppet

[Edbear]

Car was wofed reged and certed he doesnt drink, car had passengers, blood tests came back clear

Hit a diesel patch on the haywoods at a corner car was doing 90km at the time driver behind him who witnessed it can confirm.

Car slid into and over center barrier was hit by two other cars

Kind of hard to work out speed when the car is completely wreaked from being hit by other cars

Was a 180kwatw skyline however and the cops just decided that he was being a muppet

If I was him I would have pursued the matter. I don't accept injustices and I don't go away until resolved.

[Zedder]

Collected some revenue today!

....did you Rastuscat?....you sure about that??

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8192...lions-in-fines

...cos thanks to the so called NZ "justice" system, the repeat offenders (Mostly boy racers) who thumb there nose at the law and clock up HUGE!!!! fines etc, are now walking out of court laughing!

...once again...OUR tax money at work! ...and all your great efforts pissed into the wind!


(hope all is well mate...this bullshit has GOT to make you a little pissed)

Yep, it must be very frustrating for the cops.

Talking about tax money though, I met a cop last night who ran a station for a while. He thought he'd do the right thing and relieve the burden on the poor old taxpayers by making do etc, however TPTB gave him a bollocking and told him to stick to the budget?!?

[GTRMAN]

Car was wofed reged and certed he doesnt drink, car had passengers, blood tests came back clear

Hit a diesel patch on the haywoods at a corner car was doing 90km at the time driver behind him who witnessed it can confirm.

Car slid into and over center barrier was hit by two other cars

Kind of hard to work out speed when the car is completely wreaked from being hit by other cars

Was a 180kwatw skyline however and the cops just decided that he was being a muppet

Hmmmm, what corner? what were the road conditions? seems interesting that a skyline with all the driving aids on the planet couldn't deal with a momentary patch of diesel. Could it be that the driver was driving beyond his ability? not judging, just asking....

[FJRider]

Police discretion is non-existent. Passing over yellow lines is not always dangerous. The rapists (police) lost my respect ages ago, when common sense didn't matter and I got a ticket anyway, for taking action that saved my life.
Lucky that 4x4 driver didnt get cop raped.

Any time spent on the wrong side of the road is dangerous.