Advice needed, 300 EXC or 450 EXC?

[mattnzl]

Yep the 012 models are here,
EXC- PDS non linkage, can rego, etc
XC- SX style linkage, no lights, side stand, larger fuel tank, some with elec start, sx type exhaust.

Hmmm, so http://ktm.co.nz/ is a bit of a shit website then

[CRF119]

I ride a CRF450 they aren't to powerful, they are harder on the body. When you twist the gas in any gear or rev range it will go. Done 160 hours no probs

I rode a 300exc and found it had good bottom to mid but really lacked top end probably a great trail riding bike with the + side of less moving parts so less rebuilding cost. Also easier to start then my CRF450

Feed back ive had on the 350F from KTM is it lacks torque so in the slop or sand its going to be slower.

[BoristheBiter]

Sure are. Already delivered 4 x 350 XC-Fs this week. Got a 250 EXC-F going out tomorrow and 2 x 350 EXC-Fs next week.

It's a great time to be a KTM dealer

I'm going out for a play Sunday on the 250 XC-F again.

God dam it now i will have to go and buy one this year.
Anyone want to buy a 2000 XR250?

[BoristheBiter]

Hmmm, so http://ktm.co.nz/ is a bit of a shit website then

Definitely looks that way.

[BoristheBiter]

Sure are. Already delivered 4 x 350 XC-Fs this week. Got a 250 EXC-F going out tomorrow and 2 x 350 EXC-Fs next week.

It's a great time to be a KTM dealer

I'm going out for a play Sunday on the 250 XC-F again.

So whats the basic differance between them all? excf, xcf and sxf?

[ktm84mxc]

Here we go boris
SXf motocross linkage, no side stand, 19inch rear, close ratio gear box, mx suspension
XCf mx linkage, side stand, larger fuel tank, mx exhaust, mx suspension, wide ratio gear box, no lights.
EXCf PDS no linkage, full lighting & can road reg, side stand, enduro spec suspension & exhaust
The XC models are an american model built up for there cross country races in the desert & prairies eg montana, texas, utah.
At last count KTM make 10 distinct 250cc models, some times it is to much choice.

[Jay GTI]

SX-F - Motocross bike, 5 speed, 19in rear wheel, black standard tank, linkage rear
XC-F - Cross country bike, based on SX-F, 6 speed, 18in rear wheel, clear larger tank, linkage rear
EXC-F - Enduro bike, enduro spec engines, 6 speed, 18 in rear wheel, clear larger tank, no linkage/PDS rear.

Or something close to that anyway.

[White trash]

God dam it now i will have to go and buy one this year.
Anyone want to buy a 2000 XR250?

Yup. I'll trade it no worries.

[White trash]

So whats the basic differance between them all? excf, xcf and sxf?

Here we go boris
SXf motocross linkage, no side stand, 19inch rear, close ratio gear box, mx suspension
XCf mx linkage, side stand, larger fuel tank, mx exhaust, mx suspension, wide ratio gear box, no lights.
EXCf PDS no linkage, full lighting & can road reg, side stand, enduro spec suspension & exhaust
The XC models are an american model built up for there cross country races in the desert & prairies eg montana, texas, utah.
At last count KTM make 10 distinct 250cc models, some times it is to much choice.

SX-F - Motocross bike, 5 speed, 19in rear wheel, black standard tank, linkage rear
XC-F - Cross country bike, based on SX-F, 6 speed, 18in rear wheel, clear larger tank, linkage rear
EXC-F - Enduro bike, enduro spec engines, 6 speed, 18 in rear wheel, clear larger tank, no linkage/PDS rear.

Or something close to that anyway.

What these two esteemed gentlemen have already pointed out.

[Mungatoke Mad]

So whats the basic differance between them all? excf, xcf and sxf?

EXC Stands for Excellent Choice XCF stands for Xtraordinary cute Fucker & sxf's are for silly X fukers who would rather fuk around with a kick start rather than push a button

[Jay GTI]

EXC Stands for Excellent Choice XCF stands for Xtraordinary cute Fucker & sxf's are for silly X fukers who would rather fuk around with a kick start rather than push a button

Good luck finding the kickstart on my SX-F

[barty5]

TMG are having a demo day next sat20th at the Sandpit on hand will be KTM's 150-500 range off EXC & XC models, best to ring Blake and put your name down.
I'm down for the XC300 & XC350f.

dont forget to take yah wallet you need to pay to test them over heard them talking about it last week when i was across the road at their store talking bout it.

[ktm84mxc]

Yep Barty is right it'll cost you $12.50 to demo ride the bikes, if you bring your own it'll be $25 charge to ride & the demos are free that way you can compare them to your steed. There's a BBQ & drinks to.
It's all to do with the insurance & related costs at the venue.

[barty5]

Yep Barty is right it'll cost you $12.50 to demo ride the bikes, if you bring your own it'll be $25 charge to ride & the demos are free that way you can compare them to your steed. There's a BBQ & drinks to.
It's all to do with the insurance & related costs at the venue.

might have to come have a look as it is just round the corner. if i dont go fishing

[rogerh]

Iain, I am pretty interested in your original question as well. Unlike most of these fellas, I cant afford to stump up for a nice new 350. I understand the not insignificant advantages of the new tech, but I am just not that serious or well off.

When I got my 450, I was actually looking for a 300, as I like the two stroke thing. Mostly ridden these off road in the past. Distant past. Before power valves etc. So I was very keen to get some new(er) tech in two strokes. I rode a couple briefly, and was pretty excited and awe struck with their awsome performance and potential compared to previous experience. Then I brought the berg (with a grenaded engine) without riding it (but rode a similar one).

I have to say I don't regret getting the 450, but it does not stop me missing some of the two stroke characteristics. I think it largely depends on the type of riding you prefer. For woodhill and the likes, I find the 450 fine, and possibly an advantage I would say. Grunt everywhere, and like you say, it just eats hills. But the disadvantage is weight. I don't feel this when riding, but when the going gets tough and really tight, I really miss the two stroke thing. The 450 is heavy when you have to carry it

The two strokes are really much lighter, and you really notice this when the engines are out of the frame. To my mind this is what makes the biggest difference to the riding experience that you pointed out at the start. I think it just comes down to personal preference and the type of riding you do. But I have not spent a lot of time on a modern two stroke, so maybe just the grass is always greener on the other side......

Would love to hear from somone who has ridden both the bikes you mention in tight stuff particularly. Or maybe I should meet you up at woodhill one weekend, and we swap bikes for a while? Or should we go for the wires