What would you prefer?

**rastuscat** · 18th August 2011, 19:16

If you ask a lot of police about a motorcycle safety campaign, they'll think you mean hard arsed ticket writing aimed at anything on 2 wheels.

Another tangent would be to actively engage with the motorcycle crowd, and do what it takes to draw their attention to the stuff they can do to make themselves safer.

Thing is, lots of bike riders would tell the Popo to sod off if they started to dish out advice.

So, what would work best for you? Enforcement? Engagement?

Comments?

**Big Dave** · 18th August 2011, 19:18

Estrangement.

**Big Dave** · 18th August 2011, 19:33

OK - seriously - personally - If you are talking to me - experienced biker to experienced biker - I'm all ears.

If it's totting out some ACC verbiage....

**Taz** · 18th August 2011, 19:36

Originally Posted by Big Dave

OK - seriously - personally - If you are talking to me - experienced biker to experienced biker - I'm all ears.

If it's totting out some ACC verbiage....

And there's the problem, very few experienced motorcyclists in the police force.

**Katman** · 18th August 2011, 19:37

Good luck.

**Scuba_Steve** · 18th August 2011, 19:38

enforcement has never & will never work more so for bikers & is a big part why bikers do tell the "popo" to "sod off" when it comes to engagement. Think a start would be to setup points where bikers could approach the "popo" that way the biker has no need to feel discriminated against or targeted as per say

just my thoughts

**Big Dave** · 18th August 2011, 19:39

Originally Posted by Taz

And there's the problem, very few experienced motorcyclists in the police force.

I have met some champions too.

**theseekerfinds** · 18th August 2011, 19:41

an invitation to attend Police training or training where the Police participate in the training course and are viewed by others as fellow riders.. I participated in plenty of the Honda Rider Training courses back home in West Aussie and the Police were not only in attendance but they actively taught the participants through some aspects of the course.. though I know the West Aussie Police have a pretty full on driver training program in place whereas I have no idea the competence of the NZ Police rider training program..
BUT
the active participation of the Police is a two-way gate in that it shows the Police which riders want to better themselves, who needs what sort of training and that we realise we know we benefit from training.. it also shows our fellow motorcyclists that the Police (riders) are people who ride, who understand what motorcycling is about and who also benefit from training.. they need to engage with motorcyclists as much as we need to engage with them.. it builds kudos both ways which can only benefit everyone

**onearmedbandit** · 18th August 2011, 19:44

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

enforcement has never & will never work more so for bikers & is a big part why bikers do tell the "popo" to "sod off" when it comes to engagement. Think a start would be to setup points where bikers could approach the "popo" that way the biker has no need to feel discriminated against or targeted as per say

just my thoughts

I don't understand this. Lets use speeding as an example. We all know what the limit is, and it's our choice to break it. Are we expecting to get the police to 'work with us' on this issue? I've only ever been targeted by the police when I've been doing something wrong.

**blackdog** · 18th August 2011, 19:47

Trolling right.

What works best for me is if I am minding my own business, how 'bout you mind yours.

Stopping me for a 'chat' about anything other than an infringement will be met with contempt.

'Big Brother' in action, it doesn't wash with me sorry.

**Big Dave** · 18th August 2011, 19:49

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

I don't understand this. Lets use speeding as an example. We all know what the limit is, and it's our choice to break it. Are we expecting to get the police to 'work with us' on this issue? I've only ever been targeted by the police when I've been doing something wrong.

Yep - me too. Quite happily say that I've been treated leniently on occasion. Letter of the law on others.

If we're talking about noobs in jandals. Book 'em Danno.

**Scuba_Steve** · 18th August 2011, 19:59

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

I don't understand this. Lets use speeding as an example. We all know what the limit is, and it's our choice to break it. Are we expecting to get the police to 'work with us' on this issue? I've only ever been targeted by the police when I've been doing something wrong.

speeding yes we all know & most of us also know it's just a scam, but there are many more laws out there too lots which aren't just scams, lots people are ignorant of and then there are things like ATGATT which should never be law but should be made known why you want it, from there yes people can make their own decisions but they should have the info to make their own decisions.

**White trash** · 18th August 2011, 20:03

I've enjoyed leniance from cops when I was doing things I shouldn't have been, and been subject to harrasment when parked in a carpark with a group of other bikers. From a self proclaimed biker cop as well. Don't get me started on being arrested and charged for dangerous driving by some jumped up dog handler who thought his shit didn't stink.

Doesn't really answer your question sorry. But I've got a hell of alot more respect for the police who have nicked me fair and square, not been condescending ACC parrots, and above all proffessional.

**nosebleed** · 18th August 2011, 20:07

This

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Estrangement.

And this

Originally Posted by blackdog

Trolling right.

What works best for me is if I am minding my own business, how 'bout you mind yours.

Stopping me for a 'chat' about anything other than an infringement will be met with contempt.

'Big Brother' in action, it doesn't wash with me sorry.

**rastuscat** · 18th August 2011, 20:12

Interesting bunch of responses.

Not sure what to read into it.

Maybe I'll just go hide in a bush and dish out some usual responses. It seems to be easier to just default to that then actually try to find out what might work.