What would you prefer?

[rphenix]

Yes, and given that drivers are as bad as we all bang on about, isn't it a good thing all the bad drivers have slowed down?

Not sure about that, lately drivers seem to be driving more and more like nobody is home. Particularly around Auckland of late I'm noticing slow, red light runners coming through very very late last couple of months I've seen some real shockers really need to get a bike camera.

[Toaster]

So, what would work best for you? Enforcement? Engagement?

Where is the "wave as biker passes by" option?

[Taz]

Thing is, most Popos haven't made U-turns that went so bad. .

As scumdog would say "yet"

[rastuscat]

As scumdog would say "yet"

Right.

Like most bikers haven't low sided on a corner. Yet.

Like most haven't cut a corner and hit a car they didn't see head-on. Yet.

Cool. Lets axe everyone for the things they haven't done. Yet.

Venting

[Berries]

Cool. Lets axe everyone for the things they haven't done. Yet.

And lets start with the bikers by pulling them over for a chat when they have done nothing wrong. Yet.

Isn't that what this thread is about? You can't have it both ways.

Perhaps there should be a third option in your poll. Introduce a bit more discretion. Yes, we have heard the horror stories of people being warned, given a talking to and let off before wrapping themselves around a tree 10km down the road - let Darwin sort those ones out. A lot of respect has been lost by zero tolerance for some offences. This has to be weighed against the true risk of whatever the offence was and the conditions in where it happened. And I mean the true risk, not some blanket formula that takes no account of the massive variance in the NZ road environment or driving and vehicle standards. Get that respect back and it will flow in to other areas of Police work, as well as road safety, and reduce the 'them and us' mentality that is prevalent in road policing.

[Ocean1]

Right.

Like most bikers haven't low sided on a corner. Yet.

I'm pickin' you'd say the ones that ride to the conditions and actively avoid high risk situations are going to last a bit longer?

The ones, perhaps likely to transgress onto the verboten side to avoid a pretty rainbow puddle rather than adhere to the ministry's admonitions regarding such shocking behavior?

Them ones?

[Scuba_Steve]

Here we go if you want to do target attacks, target -
People movers - slow & dangerous
Holdens (this includes your own gang members) - They're dangerous at both ends of the scale as the saying goes "people who drive Holdens, can't"
Merc's - slow, dangerous & inattentive (or it just they think their superior to the rest so just ignore them?)

[Dodgy_Matt]

Here we go if you want to do target attacks, target -
People movers - slow & dangerous
Fords (this includes gang members) - They're dangerous at both ends of the scale as the saying goes "people who drive Fords, can't"
Merc's - slow, dangerous & inattentive (or it just they think their superior to the rest so just ignore them?)

Fixed that for ya....

[Scuba_Steve]

Fixed that for ya....

oh god your not a Holden driver are you

FYI I'm not a Ford fan I don't like them anymore than I like Holdens just they don't attract people that can't drive

[Dodgy_Matt]

oh god your not a Holden driver are you

FYI I'm not a Ford fan I don't like them anymore than I like Holdens just they don't attract people that can't drive

Every car out there attracts people that cant drive... no matter what make...
It's the people not the car sorry dude....

I have had prolly every make and model of car pull out on me, try to run me off the road...
Actually come to think of it, I would say SUV's are the worst....

[rastuscat]

Perhaps there should be a third option in your poll. Introduce a bit more discretion. ...........................Get that respect back and it will flow in to other areas of Police work, as well as road safety, and reduce the 'them and us' mentality that is prevalent in road policing.

Oddly, I couldn't agree more.

Thing is, the day of the old road policing officer has almost passed. Back in the day we would stop you, tell you to pull your horns in, kick your butt and send you on your way. Certainly we could still do that now, and some of us do. We also write tickets when we deem appropriate.

But many working have been introduced to road policing in the era of iPhones, instant everything (including noodles), stats stats stats, scientific analysis of trends, justification, audit trails arse covering. Generations X (early X-er myself) and Y have spawned a different breed of traffic cop, many of whom have never been taught or learned the art of road craft.

Funny, I've recently moved to a workgroup where we generate tickets on a PDA, and bluetooth them to a thermal printer before handing them over. Bizarre. Man, has my world changed. I used to go out on my R80RT with a ticket book and a breath tester. I even had room in my panniers for a sandwich and a pie. Now look at the range of things I have to carry around on my stab resistant vest. Nowhere to put the donuts these days.

I started this thread to see if engagement might be accepted. I didn't suggest that I'd stand on a soapbox at the roadside and force anyone to listen to a lecture from someone who had no idea what they were talking about, simply because the rider was on a bike. But that appears to be what folk think I was asking about.

Suggestions welcome.

[Dodgy_Matt]

What would work for you from the Popos?

BAN SUV's from our roads....

[grantnz]

Here we go if you want to do target attacks, target -
People movers - slow & dangerous
Holdens (this includes your own gang members) - They're dangerous at both ends of the scale as the saying goes "people who drive Holdens, can't"
Merc's - slow, dangerous & inattentive (or it just they think their superior to the rest so just ignore them?)

Mercs should read most drivers of European cars...

[Berries]

Generations X (early X-er myself) and Y have spawned a different breed of traffic cop, many of whom have never been taught or learned the art of road craft.

Sadly that is why the whole concept of engagement isn't going to work. Your guys need to be experts in driving and road safety to have that authority. A uniform alone is not going to work.

[Scuba_Steve]

Every car out there attracts people that cant drive... no matter what make...
It's the people not the car sorry dude....

I have had prolly every make and model of car pull out on me, try to run me off the road...
Actually come to think of it, I would say SUV's are the worst....

They do but these are the vehicles with higher concentration of people who cant drive vs car type, Holdens & people movers are almost a 1-1 concentration. So if PIGs are going to target, these should be whats targeted. Admittedly the PIGs shouldn't target but the people running the show have no fucking idea about what their doing (like any big business) & thus targeting will continue

and SUV's if you actually take a look are probably no worse than the average car driver I've found, it's just their big so we tend to notice more. I have found people movers to be much worse