View Poll Results: What would work for you from the Popos? See below.

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  • Engagement - work with the bikers, not against them,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jellywrestler View Post

    SIMPLE ANSWER
    Fit all Police cars and bikes with cameras, then the video evidence can be shown in court and the police can spread their resources to general road offences problems not just speed.

    The whole roads will be a safer place and you can see that sometimes you're the one driving like 'that'.
    I really don’t know why they haven’t been fitted yet?
    It would seem that all other popo's around the world use them and to their advantage.
    It would seem a logical thing to do, wouldn’t it?

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    They are waiting for Victoria to do it first.


    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    MORE discretion?
    I use shit-loads - (last ticket I wrote out was ohhhh about two or more weeks ago) but you never hear of THEM on a KB rant thread.
    Although the inbreeding down south means that six fingers makes for a good typist, I suspect that many of them don't own computers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    They are waiting for Victoria to do it first.
    I spoze. But that is really backward thinking though.....

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    With all respect to Scummy, I don't want anything to do with the rozza. The police don't make policy despite what that blue uniformed female snake says on the telly, the government does. The rozza are the enforcement arm of the legal system that's all. The Rozza are only funded to police the road code.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    They are waiting for Victoria to do it first.



    Although the inbreeding down south means that six fingers makes for a good typist, I suspect that many of them don't own computers.
    And you're NOT 'in the south'??

    Time for you to face north buddy and notice how much more of this country is above you - and how little is actually 'south'.
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    It's all relative. Oamaru is up north and Milton is down south. Balclutha is, well, C130 territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Generations X (early X-er myself) and Y have spawned a different breed of traffic cop, many of whom have never been taught or learned the art of road craft.
    It's endemic in Aussie too. On an advanced driving course in Perth, driving a Commode fitted with castors on outriggers. On a LH curve the (police training) instructor applies pressure to the rig and we start to drift. A generous handful of right lock is applied.

    "Don't do that" says the dude in blue. "Why not, how else am I supposed to compensate, regain control?" "We're not here for you to learn how to control a sliding car" says he. "What's the rig for then?" "It's to show you what happens when you speed around corners" says he. "You lose control and crash".

    This was ADVANCED DRIVER training. The same course they use for their own staff.

    If those who's purpose is to encourage, (or more likely punish the lack of) roadcraft aren't being taught it, (and to a high degree at that) then what is the basis for any authority they hope to wield? Statistically modelled, digitally displayed speed compliance audits? Don't think so.

    And police bikes. Why have they all gone? I'da thought they had a place but it seems they've suffered the same PC fate as the excellent first response ambo bikes.

    There's your suggestion: Bring back the patrol bikes. Bring back the expertise in using them that used to command genuine respect from the public, two wheeled or more.
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    So the original question put to us by the OP was, as cross section of the motorcycling public how would we respond to having the police stopping us for an informal chat about safety?

    Badly, would be my first response to this.
    I managed to avoid the ACC/Police “we’re from the government and here to help” summer side project where they stopped us to make sure we had registration as that is the No1 leading cause in bike accidents, and a current WoF.
    If we did pass I was told we where awarded with a nice yellow vest.
    A nice gift that they brought for us with our money, but if I was going to dress like one of the village people it wouldn’t be the construction worker.

    The motorcycle safety campaign so far is;
    A. making us too broke to be able to afford fuel,
    B. flagging us down when we do have the fuel for a ride for a little condescending chat,
    C. some “look for bikes” billboards and
    D. to make it law that the light is on when we are riding
    As most bikes don’t have a headlight switch, most car drivers don’t look out of the windows, and most of those who where stopped nodded, smiled and totally ignored what they where being told, it was mostly a ticketing exercise with an excuse.

    I would struggle to take riding advice from someone I had never ridden with, and to interrupt me on one of the very few days that I get to play on would most likely lead to me to disregard anything I was being told on principle alone.
    To have some PR rep from the ACC telling me how to be safe would be fun though…

    If anyone is serous about our safety then wire rope barriers, snail trail road repairs and putting un-surfaced metal plates over road works will be a thing of the past?
    Or is this just stage one? And this summer the 4WD drivers will be pulled over to be told the purpose of line down the centre of the road?

    Sorry OP but my cynicism has a reason for being there.

    As for the speed vs. safety read this http://psyc.queensu.ca/target/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgy_Matt View Post
    I really don’t know why they haven’t been fitted yet?
    Dosh. Data storage. Technology is getting cheaper and more available, but to roll this out on a national platform is damn expensive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgy_Matt View Post
    It would seem that all other popo's around the world use them and to their advantage.
    They mostly have lots of taxpayers, so greater resource bases. Obviously the only videos we see are those that are video recorded. Imagine how much stuff goes on that isn't videoed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgy_Matt View Post
    It would seem a logical thing to do, wouldn’t it?
    Not necessarily. Imagine this. A Popo stands in a court and gives evidence about a particular offence, say, a car going through a red light. He shows the video, case closed. Guilty.

    The next case is where a Popo has seen someone go through a red light, but his video camera was pointing forward, when he saw the red light offence through his side window i.e. no video of the offence.

    The first Popo has raised the judicial expectation. He wants to see the video, or he may or may not believe the Popo.

    This is a harsh reality. If you start gathering a new form of evidence, the judicial standard rises. When DNA was introduced, nobody believed anything if there wasn't DNA evidence.

    It's almost related to the CSI effect. People see nose prints being lifted off a banana on CSI, then want the local Popos to lift nose prints off their banana.

    It's easy to say video everything, but the practical application and judicial, evidential, and financial implications are quite wide. It would be very, very expensive to video everything, at a time when we struggle to pay for the things we do, let alone expand.

    Cheap ideas are almost certainly more likely to fly. That's why I OP'd about possible engagement.

    Donuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Dosh. Data storage. Technology is getting cheaper and more available, but to roll this out on a national platform is damn expensive.


    Cheap ideas are almost certainly more likely to fly. That's why I OP'd about possible engagement.

    Donuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Dosh. Data storage. Technology is getting cheaper and more available, but to roll this out on a national platform is damn expensive.
    Cant be that expensive use the same system as the taxi's I'm pretty sure they said Wellington combined were kitting out their whole fleet of 500? for about a grand. Just stop writing-off or damaging the PIG/Copmobile's ...Tho I suspect thats the real reason we won't see them installed anytime soon "anyone who drives Holdens, can't!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Woah, what surprises me is that with all the decreases in motorvehicle road tolls. There has been an increase in pedestrian and bicycle deaths?

    Aren't bicycles and pedestrians normally found in low speed areas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parlane View Post
    Woah, what surprises me is that with all the decreases in motorvehicle road tolls. There has been an increase in pedestrian and bicycle deaths?

    Aren't bicycles and pedestrians normally found in low speed areas?
    But get hit by faster vehicles?

    But those figures must be rigged, EVERYBODY knows these road safety campaigns don't work....
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    What would work for me with the Popo would be to see them doing the job they have been employed to do!. Not to be travelling from Auckland to Hamilton and seeing up to 5 Popo lying in wait on open stretch 2 lane expressways and then when calling them at night due to a break in and burglary being told its low priority and someone may call around tomorrow.

    Are the Popo crime control or traffic enforcement???


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    Quote Originally Posted by Murray View Post

    Are the Popo crime control or traffic enforcement???
    Here's a surpise: Both!

    Only nowadays the traffic guys don't drive black'n'white cars.
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