Speeding tickets. Why the angst?

**scumdog** · 7th September 2011, 20:42

Originally Posted by Mad-V2

Then I'll be one of those argumentative types you speak of, just to screw up his day a bit.

Ah, hate to break it to you but if the cop remembers your rant for more than five minutes it will be to tell his mates around the coffe&donuts and they all fall about laughing about it...

**rastuscat** · 7th September 2011, 20:51

Originally Posted by scumdog

Ah, hate to break it to you but if the cop remembers your rant for more than five minutes it will be to tell his mates around the coffe&donuts and they all fall about laughing about it...

Scummie !! Ssssshhhhhhhhhhhh......................let them think we listen..........

**st00ji** · 7th September 2011, 20:51

teach people how to actually drive, not just what the road rules are.

get rid of stationary cameras.

would probably make me happy.

i'll trust our police force to enforce the law to the spirit rather than the letter, mad as that might sound to many here. someones gotta do it eh.

**Usarka** · 7th September 2011, 20:54

Originally Posted by scumdog

Ah, hate to break it to you but if the cop remembers your rant for more than five minutes it will be to tell his mates around the coffe&donuts and they all fall about laughing about it...

That's disrespectful and police should not be laughing at innocent civilians behind their backs. I'm going to lay a complaint and I want your badge number.

**scumdog** · 7th September 2011, 20:59

Originally Posted by Usarka

That's disrespectful and police should not be laughing at innocent civilians behind their backs. I'm going to lay a complaint and I want your badge number.

Or it will go international??

**DEATH_INC.** · 8th September 2011, 08:22

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**Usarka** · 8th September 2011, 08:23

Originally Posted by scumdog

Or it will go international??

Ban Ki Moon is in town - it's going to the UN!

**Jack Miller** · 8th September 2011, 08:47

Originally Posted by jim.cox

We spend huge ammounts of money to build our state highways with a design speed of 120 kmh. The design speed is a function of width of lane, width of shoulder, curve design etc

Its also the speed that 85% of the travelling population will wnat to use for that road

Then we arbitrarily restrict them to 100kmh

So we are

A: wasting our money building flash roads

and

B: annoying the hell out of people when they get ticketed for using the road the way it was inteneded

And it's also a disgusting greedy arrogant waste when Cops issue tickets in passing lanes.

**Berg** · 8th September 2011, 08:49

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These are the sort of things I deal with.
Yep, that seat is just sitting up there just waiting to fall on an unsuspecting biker along with all the crap in the white car.
Anybody think cops still just target speeders?

**Jack Miller** · 8th September 2011, 08:52

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Wondered when this would arise so I've prepared a response.

NEVER LET THE FACTS GET IN THE WAY OF A GOOD WHINGE

9% of the tickets my section issued last year were for speed.

So there.

Caught you Rastuscat you disingenuous bastard. You are trying to convince this forum that speeding tickets are not a significant part of police enforcing by reference to your unit. However, I remember the post in which you told us your's was a special unit with a different focus.

This thread is about why people hate speeding tickets i.e.; all 750000 speeding tickets issued per year, not just those issued by you.

**Scuba_Steve** · 8th September 2011, 09:02

Originally Posted by Berg

These are the sort of things I deal with.
Yep, that seat is just sitting up there just waiting to fall on an unsuspecting biker along with all the crap in the white car.
Anybody think cops still just target speeders?

to be honest with you I don't see those cars posing too much of a threat, they don't look like they could get very far

**Jack Miller** · 8th September 2011, 09:06

Originally Posted by Zedder

But handing out fines is a far easier and cheaper way to "train" people.

Except that it doesn't work.

Firstly; it doesn't slow them down. Police ticket-issuance peaked at 875000 tickets in 2004 then declined to 675000 in 2007. If handing out fines trained people to slow down then handing out less fines should see speeds staying the same or increasing. In fact, the average and top 15% open road speeds dropped from 104/118 respectively in 2004 to 102/116. Fewer tickets and less speeding. Obviously issuing tickets has nothing to do with driver speeds.

Secondly; it trains them to drive unsafely. Here are a couple of examples: It creates complacency (if I'm doing 95 I'm safe); It causes people to overtake slowly.

**oneofsix** · 8th September 2011, 09:15

Originally Posted by Jack Miller

Except that it doesn't work.

Firstly; it doesn't slow them down. Police ticket-issuance peaked at 875000 tickets in 2004 then declined to 675000 in 2007. If handing out fines trained people to slow down then handing out less fines should see speeds staying the same or increasing. In fact, the average and top 15% open road speeds dropped from 104/118 respectively in 2004 to 102/116. Fewer tickets and less speeding. Obviously issuing tickets has nothing to do with driver speeds.

Secondly; it trains them to drive unsafely. Here are a couple of examples: It creates complacency (if I'm doing 95 I'm safe); It causes people to overtake slowly.

Interesting stats

You missed the two biggies IMO. It causes them to watch their speedo and ignore traffic flow and the second is the sudden slowing when they spot what could be a cop or camera (even when approaching known camera haunts).