Speeding tickets. Why the angst?

[scumdog]

Or let's not ignore it, whatever the exact figure is it is enough for Rtc to perceive a lot of angst about it.

What I ask you not to ignore but rather to think about is this bit:

I've got a bit too:

If you want to kill somebody do with a vehicle on the road.

The sentence is way lighter than if you kill them any other way.

And another bit: why is it that those that complain the most about traffic policing shortfalls in NZ have never worked for Police?

And are never likely to.

Yet they still know how it SHOULD be done.

Why don't they join and 'make a difference'.

Probably because it's too hard and they know they couldn't.

So in the meantime the rastuscats of the world and I do our best.

And enjoy sparring with the 'know-alls/know nothings'

[ducatilover]

What I ask you not to ignore but rather to think about is this bit:

So, if you poison someone, main someone with a buzz saw because you have set it up wrong and it exploded, kill people by accident (running past a grandmother on a bridge and she happens to plummet to her death), it's not going to court?


Also may be worth, picture this, these things called cars, moving at xxxkm/h and weighing 1500kg (dirver, petrol, Honda Civic type thing). That's a dangerous thing when going wrong. Break the law, you're breaking the law and endangering people.

Where's the problem?

[ducatilover]

I've got a bit too:

If you want to kill somebody do with a vehicle on the road.

The sentence is way lighter than if you kill them any other way.

And another bit: why is it that those that complain the most about traffic policing shortfalls in NZ have never worked for Police?

And are never likely to.

Yet they still know how it SHOULD be done.

Why don't they join and 'make a difference'.

Probably because it's too hard and they know they couldn't.

So in the meantime the rastuscats of the world and I do our best.

And enjoy sparring with the 'know-alls/know nothings'

http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-stan...hatters-family

Matt was a close mate of mine, he got killed by a stop sign runner on a clear road (less than 2km from my house). The chap who hit his car/killed him didn't get time, he got home detention and told to pay $5000 in reparations.

Apparently, one of the best people I have ever met is only worth $5k, teh justice peoples said so.

Is that your cup of tea Jack?

[Jantar]

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Probably because it's too hard and they know they couldn't.

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Got it in One. I couldn't do the job you guys do, and I don't just mean the traffic work either.

[Jack Miller]

So, if you poison someone, main someone with a buzz saw because you have set it up wrong and it exploded, kill people by accident (running past a grandmother on a bridge and she happens to plummet to her death), it's not going to court?

Good point! As soon as the bad outcome occurs the Justice system steps in and gets involved. Except with road safety where the system gets involved before the bad outcome occurs. Maybe it is this "pre-emptive strike" approach that causes the angst.

[Berries]

Getting a bit over this.

I think you'll find that you started it.

Again.

[ducatilover]

Good point! As soon as the bad outcome occurs the Justice system steps in and gets involved. Except with road safety where the system gets involved before the bad outcome occurs. Maybe it is this "pre-emptive strike" approach that causes the angst.

I think it's a bad attitude, what many like to call "human nature" and not wanting to admit they are wrong (effectively belittling themselves) which I can understand to a point. When faced with a ticket, you are wrong and doing wrong, when you're punished you are not the dominant one in the situation and as humans, we don't like that (the lesser intelligent ones don't)

[superman]

Speeding tickets are all good.

No matter how good a rider/driver you think you are, think about the worst people at driving/riding you know of and how you might feel having them fly about at whatever speed they wish. As said earlier, if someone is willing to go at 120km/h on a straight, who knows how much tyre chirping goes on in corners. Speeding tickets at least tell an offender to slow down even if they are being "safe". You can't take speed limits to be what the best drivers can do the road at, rather the speed is taken to be marginally safe yet quick enough for the general population to get about.

Perhaps we could make the license tests much more in-depth and difficult, increase the education of riders/drivers and then maybe the speed limits could be increased in certain areas. Particularly the motorway... Alas the general population will continue to treat driving as something that doesn't need much attention and people will continue to die due to stupid decisions.

[Jack Miller]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-stan...hatters-family

Matt was a close mate of mine, he got killed by a stop sign runner on a clear road (less than 2km from my house). The chap who hit his car/killed him didn't get time, he got home detention and told to pay $5000 in reparations.

Apparently, one of the best people I have ever met is only worth $5k, teh justice peoples said so.

Is that your cup of tea Jack?

Absolutely not. And the judge that fined Lenihan $250 for his part in Brown's death was similarly unjust. Also I have no problem with cops issuing tickets for running stop signs and I don't think many others do either - it doesn't cause the angst Rtc perceives (quite rightly imo) in relation to the current near-zero-tolerance enforcement of an arbitrary speed limit.

Rtc is trying to understand what causes this particular angst. It seems to me that there are good clues towards the answer in this thread for those who study it with a mind that is open to the possibility that near-zero-tolerance enforcement of an arbitrary speed limit is, at some basic human level, simply wrong.

[Jantar]

Speeding tickets are all good.

No matter how good a rider/driver you think you are, think about the worst people at driving/riding you know of and how you might feel having them fly about at whatever speed they wish. .......

As has already been pointed out. In those places where the speed limit has been raised, the average speed has risen only slightly, and the accident rate has dropped. Most people learn to drive to the conditions and spend more time watching the road and less time watching their speedometers.

No-one has suggested that anyone should be able to drive at whatever speed they wish, just that they should be permitted to drive to the conditions.

[ducatilover]

Speeding tickets are all good.

No matter how good a rider/driver you think you are, think about the worst people at driving/riding you know of and how you might feel having them fly about at whatever speed they wish. As said earlier, if someone is willing to go at 120km/h on a straight, who knows how much tyre chirping goes on in corners. Speeding tickets at least tell an offender to slow down even if they are being "safe". You can't take speed limits to be what the best drivers can do the road at, rather the speed is taken to be marginally safe yet quick enough for the general population to get about.

Perhaps we could make the license tests much more in-depth and difficult, increase the education of riders/drivers and then maybe the speed limits could be increased in certain areas. Particularly the motorway... Alas the general population will continue to treat driving as something that doesn't need much attention and people will continue to die due to stupid decisions.

The licencing system is crap, you have to display a pittance of skill, clutch operation (sort of...)...able to almost park and navigate am intersection.
Nothing on avoiding other idiots, nothing on how to control a vehicle of any sort. I hate the system in place.

Absolutely not. And the judge that fined Lenihan $250 for his part in Brown's death was similarly unjust. Also I have no problem with cops issuing tickets for running stop signs and I don't think many others do either - it doesn't cause the angst Rtc perceives (quite rightly imo) in relation to the current near-zero-tolerance enforcement of an arbitrary speed limit.

Rtc is trying to understand what causes this particular angst. It seems to me that there are good clues towards the answer in this thread for those who study it with a mind that is open to the possibility that near-zero-tolerance enforcement of an arbitrary speed limit is, at some basic human level, simply wrong.

I see, you're against a near zero tolerance thing? Understandable. There are a lot of factors that are not considered with a near zero speeding allowance, mechanical error, parallax error etc
But, I myself can keep my speedo on 100/110kp/h happily with no problems at all.
If we focused on better training for the sheeple, we would have less need for these angrily received speeding tickets.

[Jack Miller]

No matter how good a rider/driver you think you are, think about the worst people at driving/riding you know of and how you might feel having them fly about at whatever speed they wish.

Good point. Rtc is the angst you are trying to understand related to tickets issued for "too fast for the conditions," "Careless/reckless speed" etc or simply "exceeding the speed limit." I've been assuming you're interested in the angst related to the ticketing a few ks over on good roads in good conditions. That's certainly where I see all the angst. I doubt there's much angst felt about ticketing "the worst prople driving/riding ... at whatever speed they wish."

[Jack Miller]

But, I myself can keep my speedo on 100/110kp/h happily with no problems at all.

So you'll get a ticket if you pick a weekend they're enforcing at 104.

[ducatilover]

So you'll get a ticket if you pick a weekend they're enforcing at 104.

No, because I'll drive/ride at 100 on the roads where there will be law enforcement chaps.
If I do get a ticket, I'll accept I was breaking the speed limit. Interesting fact, I haven't had a speeding ticket, ever.

[Jack Miller]

When faced with a ticket, you are wrong and doing wrong,

Not necessarily.