Speeding tickets. Why the angst?

[ducatilover]

Not necessarily.

I'll re-phrase that.
When speeding and faced with a ticket for speeding, you're doing wrong.
I thought you'd get the idea.

[Jack Miller]

No, because I'll drive/ride at 100 on the roads where there will be law enforcement chaps.
If I do get a ticket, I'll accept I was breaking the speed limit. Interesting fact, I haven't had a speeding ticket, ever.

Sorry, thought you meant you could keep your speed somewhere between 100 & 110 no problems at all. Didn't realise you meant you could keep it exactly on one or the other.

Interesting fact, I've had a few speeding tickets, fought them all, and got off them all.

BTW, how do you know where the enforcement chaps will be?

[Jack Miller]

I'll re-phrase that.
When speeding and faced with a ticket for speeding, you're doing wrong.
I thought you'd get the idea.

Still not necessarily. The Road User Rule provides a number of exceptions where it is not wrong to exceed the speed limit yet the Police sometimes still try and issue tickets in those circumstances.

[ducatilover]

Sorry, thought you meant you could keep your speed somewhere between 100 & 110 no problems at all. Didn't realise you meant you could keep it exactly on one or the other.

I can drive/ride without my speedo going over 100 if I want, it isn't hard and doesn't require constant speedo checking.

Interesting fact, I've had a few speeding tickets, fought them all, and got off them all.

Examples? I'd like to know what speeds/conditions etc etc etc. Quite interested.

BTW, how do you know where the enforcement chaps will be?

I know a few roads that are not patrolled due to the complete lack of traffic, I know where the highway patrol route goes (in a particular area or two). Good roads too, if one isn't a muppet on them.

Still not necessarily. The Road User Rule provides a number of exceptions where it is not wrong to exceed the speed limit yet the Police sometimes still try and issue tickets in those circumstances.

I was not aware of these, I stand/sit/type corrected.

[Jack Miller]

Examples? I'd like to know what speeds/conditions etc etc etc. Quite interested.

I only ever exceed the speed limit when overtaking and I only overtake where I have full visibility throughout the entire maneuver and conditions are safe. So all examples (and it's only three) are for that. I have a very detailed, thorough and streamlined process for getting off that particular circumstance reinforced with a swathe of research undermining the methods and technologies deployed by the enforcers in general. It's never yet gone to court. My approach is such that any enforcer that wanted to take it that far would almost certainly have to lie about some aspect to get it there, which would be very risky for them. Fastest was 127kph.

I know where the highway patrol route goes

How?

[rastuscat]

Still not necessarily. The Road User Rule provides a number of exceptions where it is not wrong to exceed the speed limit yet the Police sometimes still try and issue tickets in those circumstances.

Please give examples of the RUR sections that provide an exemption from the speed limit.

[Berries]

Ah don't encourage him. It was in his hello, welcome and I have serious issues thread -http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...harges-dropped

[rastuscat]

Ah don't encourage him. It was in his hello, welcome and I have serious issues thread -http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...harges-dropped

That's the problem, quoting one part of a law ignores the rest of it.

I won't even bother arguing the rule on that one, it provides no such exemption unless you read it with one eye closed.

There's not much doubt he has serious issues.

[rastuscat]

I only ever exceed the speed limit when overtaking and I only overtake where I have full visibility throughout the entire maneuver and conditions are safe. So all examples (and it's only three) are for that. I have a very detailed, thorough and streamlined process for getting off that particular circumstance reinforced with a swathe of research undermining the methods and technologies deployed by the enforcers in general. It's never yet gone to court. My approach is such that any enforcer that wanted to take it that far would almost certainly have to lie about some aspect to get it there, which would be very risky for them. Fastest was 127kph.

No wonder you have so many complaints about Popos setting up speed traps on passing lanes.

[Ocean1]

Post your results alongside a poll asking Popos how many wankers they have had to deal with who have claimed to be innocent of the things they have just been seen doing.

Getting a bit over this.

The other half used to work in an ED, and motorcycles were death traps. Now she rides one. The last place I'd go for an unprejudiced view of traffic compliance issues is a traffic officer, your just too close to the problem.

There's a noticable trend here also; those who argue for rigid conformity, (professionals and otherwise) seem to be the ones denegrating the driving skills of a significant portion of the road going public. They might be right, (although accident numbers suggest otherwise) but the point is all those idiots have a right to be there, and pinging them for 10k over the limit is simply ridiculous, speed has a very tenuous relationship to safety on the road.

Again, authority does not mean a correct assesment of the best policy, just the power to have that policy stick. It does often mean, though a somewhat arrogant assumption of superiority of opinion. The vote thing was an attempt to invite the official contingent to consider the possibility that the majority's opinion on the speed matter might count for more than the official one. you missed that huh?

[Scuba_Steve]

I can drive/ride without my speedo going over 100 if I want, it isn't hard and doesn't require constant speedo checking.

You can??? . Then you must either have cruise control, be riding in non 100km/h areas or be impeding the flow of traffic, especially if your speedo for example is 10% out & someone elses is only 1% another problem with the speed scam.
Someone could be sitting on 100km/h "being legal" (to their knowledge) yet the person following could be on 85km/h & getting pissed off, he does 120km/h to get past quickly, safely & the disco starts

[Jack Miller]

Ah don't encourage him. It was in his hello, welcome and I have serious issues thread -http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...harges-dropped

I agree. I'm really really disappointed that rastuscat doesn't already know the exceptions written into the Road User Rule - his job of the last many years is based on the Rule, and if that wasn't enough I did give more than a few clues in my original post that was months ago. And still he doesn't know.

he's simply wrong when he says:

the rule ... provides no such exemption unless you read it with one eye closed.

and I've got the acquittals to prove it.

And yes rastuscat, ticketing in passing lanes is a serious issue. It's even against Police policy as you well know, if only because I've told you so often.

I give up.

[Berg]

I've got a bit too:

If you want to kill somebody do with a vehicle on the road.

The sentence is way lighter than if you kill them any other way.

And another bit: why is it that those that complain the most about traffic policing shortfalls in NZ have never worked for Police?

And are never likely to.

Yet they still know how it SHOULD be done.

Why don't they join and 'make a difference'.

Probably because it's too hard and they know they couldn't.

So in the meantime the rastuscats of the world and I do our best.

And enjoy sparring with the 'know-alls/know nothings'

Add me to the list of people trying to do the best for road safety out there

[Parlane]

Add me to the list of people trying to do the best for road safety out there

A third officer of the law? I'm not sure there is enough room on KB!

[Berg]

A third officer of the law? I'm not sure there is enough room on KB!

Not as experianced as the other two but doing my bit towards road safety