Speeding tickets. Why the angst?

[Zedder]

If they were serious about that, then licences would be harder to get and harder to keep. The current system of Nazi-like persecution of "speed" is doing fcukall about it.

The licencing system is aimed at the lowest common denominator like the legal system.

It's the mind behind the throttle and the choices made which are more relevant. Speed or don't speed, drink drive or don't drink drive etc. It is a conscious decision by us all.

[Berg]

A wof lasts for six months (12 for newer vehicles) ... and most assume for that period ... their vehicle is fit and safe to be on the road ... the little white sticker tells them so.

Tickets can and ARE being issued for not having a vehicle up to WOF standard ... even WITH a current WOF sticker ... those failing the roadside "attitude test" often find this out the expensive way ... Those "passing the test" get a complience notice ...

ANOTHER good reason NOT to rant to the officer ...

Had a taxi driver on Thursday try to tell me his taxi was legal because it had a WOF. No matter that both front tyres looked like racing slicks and the WOF was 4 months old. But but but, it's legal, it's got a WOF

[scumdog]

Had a taxi driver on Thursday try to tell me his taxi was legal because it had a WOF. No matter that both front tyres looked like racing slicks and the WOF was 4 months old. But but but, it's legal, it's got a WOF

I deal with fuck-wits who have that same 'thought' pattern.

Had a hell of a job convincing a young Starlet owner that as his WOF had been out for almost seven months it must have been over a year ago since it was last checked for a WOF.

"Nah, look, can't you read it's ONLY just over six months out, Jesus!!" said in a weary condescending way was his explanation....after his initial rant and 'toys out the cot' act.

And the green sticker for all the Starlets OBVIOUS faults didn't smooth the way...

Especially as the car had to be taken 80km away to the nearest testing station.

If I got caught driving a dunger like that I would be nice-as to minimise the fiscal damage and inconvenience...

[steve_t]

If I got caught driving a dunger like that I would be nice-as to minimise the fiscal damage and inconvenience...

Yeah, I still can't get my head around people who rant, rave, and abuse people who they want to help them. One of my rele's tried to tell me about how he'd been hard done by with regards to his electricity bill and that he'd already called the call centre and told the person on the phone that it was extortionate and how he was going to call the police Naturally, I told him he was an idiot and that the person on the phone isn't going to help you if you're a dick. But so many people act in exactly the same way. If someone wants something from me and they're rude and demanding, their priority goes to the bottom of my list of things to do. That's just how I roll

[rastuscat]

Have pondered why the WoF thing actually exists.

I have read posts on here that talk about doing this and that before taking the bike for a WoF. Like removing illegal things, getting the WoF and putting them back on for the next 6 months.

The law says you gotta have one, but also that you have to keep your vehicle in WoF condition.

I've seen boy racers with two sets of doors, seats, windows, suspension etc. One legal set for the WoF, the other pimped up ones for the other 5 months and 29 days out of every 6 months.

Makes you wonder why WoFs exist. I personally supported that system until I realised how many people treat it as a joke. Once again, it's a system that only effects the people who care enough to comply. I still WoF all my vehicles, but only coz I'm basically a law abiding conformist.

Harumph.

[Scuba_Steve]

Have pondered why the WoF thing actually exists.

I have read posts on here that talk about doing this and that before taking the bike for a WoF. Like removing illegal things, getting the WoF and putting them back on for the next 6 months.

The law says you gotta have one, but also that you have to keep your vehicle in WoF condition.

I've seen boy racers with two sets of doors, seats, windows, suspension etc. One legal set for the WoF, the other pimped up ones for the other 5 months and 29 days out of every 6 months.

Makes you wonder why WoFs exist. I personally supported that system until I realised how many people treat it as a joke. Once again, it's a system that only effects the people who care enough to comply. I still WoF all my vehicles, but only coz I'm basically a law abiding conformist.

Harumph.

the answers simple really, the MTA make a fuck load of money from it.

We'd all be better off without it, no "but it's got a WOF" excuses

[scumdog]

Makes you wonder why WoFs exist. I personally supported that system until I realised how many people treat it as a joke. Once again, it's a system that only effects the people who care enough to comply. I still WoF all my vehicles, but only coz I'm basically a law abiding conformist.

Harumph.

My 2-cents?

At least mr & Mrs Average have their cars mechanical condition checked twice a year - they are the ones least likely to be aware of how their tyres are etc.

And the boiracer types? I could write a book titled "Pathetic and far-fetched explanations as to why a car is not up to WOF standards".

Like "No, no, really, they're proper King springs, that's why it's so low, it's just we cut two coils off them"

They must think we are as silly as they are!

[rastuscat]

the answers simple really, the MTA make a fuck load of money from it.

We'd all be better off without it, no "but it's got a WOF" excuses

One of the Oz states (QLand I think) has no safety inspection other than when you sell a vehicle. They have a very strong on-road inspection system though, and they are hard on the vehicles that aren't up to the required standard.

Seems like a fair system to me.

I'd set up a checkpoint outside Dunkin Donuts. Bugger all inspections, lots of cinnamon.

Yum

[scumdog]

One of the Oz states (QLand I think) has no safety inspection other than when you sell a vehicle. They have a very strong on-road inspection system though, and they are hard on the vehicles that aren't up to the required standard.

Seems like a fair system to me.

I'd set up a checkpoint outside Dunkin Donuts. Bugger all inspections, lots of cinnamon.

Yum

Nah, ya would make a killing at Maccas on dole day!

[rastuscat]

At least mr & Mrs Average have their cars mechanical condition checked twice a year - they are the ones least likely to be aware of how their tyres are etc.

Yeah, the good folk see some benefit, so it's not all bad.

Wanna join my Dunkin Donuts 3R?

[Scuba_Steve]

One of the Oz states (QLand I think) has no safety inspection other than when you sell a vehicle. They have a very strong on-road inspection system though, and they are hard on the vehicles that aren't up to the required standard.

Seems like a fair system to me.

I'd set up a checkpoint outside Dunkin Donuts. Bugger all inspections, lots of cinnamon.

Yum

yep a lot of people would prefer this system, but beating the MTA lobby group protecting their vested financial interest aint an easy thing

[scumdog]

Yeah, the good folk see some benefit, so it's not all bad.

Wanna join my Dunkin Donuts 3R?

Shit yeah, awright!

All allowances paid??

[Jantar]

the answers simple really, the MTA make a fuck load of money from it.

We'd all be better off without it, no "but it's got a WOF" excuses

Personally I believe there's a bit more to it than that. I check my own vehicles so that when they go for WoF its usually a formality. However sometimes the tester finds something I've missed, and if it is a safety issue I'm pleased when its pointed out to me.

I'm not so pleased when I take a vehicle in and point out something I believe is borderline and needs replacing to find out it wasn't replaced because it was within standards.

[thepom]

I prefer them to point out as borderline cos I can then replace it knowing it will be ok next time.....

[rastuscat]

I agree. I'm really really disappointed that rastuscat doesn't already know the exceptions written into the Road User Rule - his job of the last many years is based on the Rule, and if that wasn't enough I did give more than a few clues in my original post that was months ago. And still he doesn't know.

he's simply wrong when he says: and I've got the acquittals to prove it.

And yes rastuscat, ticketing in passing lanes is a serious issue. It's even against Police policy as you well know, if only because I've told you so often.

I give up.

It's good that you've given up Jacko, as you are talking tosh. I've waited to respond, as I wanted to have the Speed Enforcement Guidelines and the Road User Rule in front of me to quote from.

There is no Police policy against ticketing in passing lanes. Please provide me with a copy of the one you are referring to, as I have just read our policy again, and you are talking tosh. The only reference to passing lanes is in the Speed Camera Policy, an entirely different policy which doesn't apply to mobile radar enforcement.

The Road User Rule contains no exceptions in regard to speed, other than in emergency circumstances. Quote me Rule and section (not just the bits that suit your argument), and we'll discuss it. Bring it on.

You have previously crowed about having three tickets thrown out before they get to court. Acquittals only at the discretion of a JP or Judge in a court hearing. So, how did you get an acquittal?

Harumph.