Speeding tickets. Why the angst?

[Edbear]

Haha Ed, I love your attitude, maybe 'cause mine is the same....don't speed and the wallet doesn't bleed

Yeah, funny that, I must be too chicken to ride/drive fast anywhere where there is traffic about. Set the cruise on 103km/h by the GPS and relax. Time and again. I say to my wife while riding, (Sigh...), or driving, "Good thing I wasn't speeding.." as another cop car goes by or we pass a camera van... Must be gettin' old... Mind you, I do like playing in the twisties, don't have to speed to have fun then!

Face it Ed -
Some people are just straight-out ticket magnets.
And some like you just plain don't get them at all...

Sigh...

[caspernz]

Mind you, I do like playing in the twisties, don't have to speed to have fun then!

+1

[Brian d marge]

Its not the point and you know it

Stephen

[Edbear]

How about a different approach, Remember the days when the old bill were respected , Wonder why, at least the sally army gives me a pin to say thanks when they take my money. If it were all about education , you lot would do just that , educate , how many people are " educated " by that camera on the harbor bridge ? ALL of them, I assume , but with the wrong kind of knowledge

Report card

Police , must try try harder, fails to grasp simple concepts

Government

Excellent results in maths and economics , though has difficulties with others in class

Stephen

Its not the point and you know it

Stephen

Some people just don't want to be educated, mate. Everyone knows the rules, whether they like them or not, it's just that they don't like it when the rules apply to them. Sure some Police persons are nicer than others, but they have a crap job, dealing with arrogant and ignorant idiots on a daily basis, so they can tend to become rather jaded and impatient with certain members of society and the attitudes they get.

They're only human after all.

[baffa]

translated - "speeding tickets have nothing to do with safety, they're about money gathering. That's why people call it a scam. Imagine that "

Clearly, it has everything to do with reducing the risk. I exceed the speed limit regularly, and feel that a modern well maintainted vehicle is safely capable of more than the posted speed limits in certain situations, but that is my belief. The Government has to cater to the lowest common denominator and all sorts of vehicles and all sorts of conditions.

I'm sure you can safely speed on a dead empty flat road, but who has to scrape your mess of the side of the road and break the news to your family when you get sunstrike just as a car pulls out in front of you?

[Brian d marge]

Some people just don't want to be educated, mate. Everyone knows the rules, whether they like them or not, it's just that they don't like it when the rules apply to them. Sure some Police persons are nicer than others, but they have a crap job, dealing with arrogant and ignorant idiots on a daily basis, so they can tend to become rather jaded and impatient with certain members of society and the attitudes they get.

They're only human after all.

I could imagime the Job could get a whole lot nice if just a few small changes ewere made

Suffice to say , ( as this has been discussed " ad mortem" ) the roading limits are archaic, and the poor police man is on the receiving end.

Just a thought , If the health care were to be completely privatized , I wonder how long it would be for road Safety to be a non issue ( politically wise )

Stephen

[FJRider]

Just a thought , If the health care were to be completely privatized , I wonder how long it would be for road Safety to be a non issue ( politically wise )

Stephen

You mean "user pays" ...???

[caspernz]

To change the approach to the speeding debate, how about applying the 'circle of concern' and 'circle of influence' method?

I kinda work on the theory that as the rider I have concern about the method by which speed limits are set, and to a degree the method of enforcement. On any given day I only have control over my actions, so exceeding the limit is simply a choice. Oh, and I lend my voice to the debate on changing speed limits and enforcement methods, as and when I come across a useful lobby.

Just for the record, 27 years on the road, in excess of 4 million kilometres travelled by road, 3 speeding tickets, that's my tally to date. That's one each in car, on bike and in truck. Yeah, slow learner....

[Brian d marge]

You mean "user pays" ...???

Anything like that , ....
Stephen

[FJRider]

To change the approach to the speeding debate, how about applying the 'circle of concern' and 'circle of influence' method?

On any given day I only have control over my actions, so exceeding the limit is simply a choice.

Those things I place in MY "circle of influence" ... I would/could place in my "circle of concern" ...

You (as I do) have control over our own actions and choices ... however the actions, and choices of other road users ... and for that matter ... ANY other living things in the area ... We do not. And at any given time ... I could not accurately predict their actions (Should I/we even know of their existence) ... in every given circumstance. Neither can you.

YOUR "choice" may put YOU in THEIR "Circle of concern" ...

It would seem you've been lucky so far ... long may it continue eh ...

And ... the "risk" in speeding is not just the "risk" of a ticket ...

[FJRider]

Anything like that , ....
Stephen

Due to the selfish, self-centered stupidity, of some road users ... any "later cost" is the least of their problems ... or worries. SOMEBODY will pay. Just NOT them ....

[rastuscat]

Some people just don't want to be educated, mate. Everyone knows the rules, whether they like them or not, it's just that they don't like it when the rules apply to them. Sure some Police persons are nicer than others, but they have a crap job, dealing with arrogant and ignorant idiots on a daily basis, so they can tend to become rather jaded and impatient with certain members of society and the attitudes they get.

They're only human after all.

+1

The numb-nuts we have to deal with every day effect the way we deal with people overall.

Sorry team, it's our humanity that causes the bad dealings at times.

Sigh.

[rastuscat]

Those things I place in MY "circle of influence" ... I would/could place in my "circle of concern" ...

YOUR "choice" may put YOU in THEIR "Circle of concern"

Smiled when I read that.

I was first on the scene of a car-v-ped in Rolleston Ave, Chur Chur, a couple of years back. A young woman was crossing on a ped crossing when she as hit by a car which failed to give way. The drivers cell phone was the main suspect, but whatever. As I held the hand of the young woman while the ambos worked on her she asked me to sing the Circle of Life song from the Lion King.

Now, I will do almost anything in circumstances like that, but I as buggered if I knew the lyrics, so I crooned a tune from the Muppets (the opening theme, actually), just to keep her mind off her broken pelvis. She lived, the driver was convicted, and life goes on.

Sometimes the job is a very emotional one, and sadly we react badly to provocation due to whatever shitty jobs we have been doing prior to the healthy discussions we have with motorists.

I still smile when I hear the Circle of Life, wondering is anyone will ever ask me to sing that one again. Must remeber the words, you never know.

Sorry about the tangent.

[riffer]

Sorry about the tangent.

May have been a tangent, but a good reminder that the Police have wide ranging dealings with the public. Whether you agree with the speed limits, they are what they are. Until (if ever) they are changed, there's no point in complaining. There are alternatives if you want to go fast, and they're not that expensive, and if someone's going too slow it's easy to go around them on a bike.

Y'see, it's not our god-given right to do what we want on the road. We have to share it, and doing that means that we need some rules. You don't like the rules; don't play the game. Don't ask to play and then demand a change to the off-side rule because it makes it hard for you to play the game the way you want.

LIke it or not, the Police are the referees. You don't blame the ref if he blows a penalty because you dove into the side of the ruck while off your feet and tried to take the ball. The whistle's there to stop you being rucked into oblivion. Same thing with the ticket.

[FJRider]

Smiled when I read that.

I still smile when I hear the Circle of Life, wondering is anyone will ever ask me to sing that one again. Must remeber the words, you never know.

Sorry about the tangent.

Just for you ...

From the day we arrive on the planet
And blinking, step into the sun
There's more to see than can ever be seen
More to do than can ever be done
There's far too much to take in here
More to find than can ever be found
But the sun rolling high
Through the sapphire sky
Keeps great and small on the endless round

It's the Circle of Life
And it moves us all
Through despair and hope
Through faith and love
Till we find our place
On the path unwinding
In the Circle
The Circle of Life

It's the Circle of Life
And it moves us all
Through despair and hope
Through faith and love
Till we find our place
On the path unwinding
In the Circle
The Circle of Life