Wotchu talkin' 'bout Willis..? Of course I'm not average, no-one on KB is average. We are all highly skilled and competent operators of whatever machinery we are in control of at the time!Originally Posted by Ocean1
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Wotchu talkin' 'bout Willis..? Of course I'm not average, no-one on KB is average. We are all highly skilled and competent operators of whatever machinery we are in control of at the time!
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Bogeyman
"We" need to let people drive at speeds that don't send them to sleep. If you really must do something to lower the death toll arsehole all of the fucking stupid roadside signs on the outside of corners.
Oh, and repeating the same tired old line doesn't make it any more factual.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Forum whore
"Trouble is that the people doing so are across all sectors of society."
This bit says different. It's everyone's fault, and the death toll is highest among those who seriously think they are excellent drivers and who consistently drive/ride well above the speed limits.
People of all ages, genders, (!), and driving skill levels in all types of vehicle are killing themselves and having accidents, yes even Kiwibikers!
Anyone who claims driving at 100km/h sends them to sleep should not be behind the wheel or handlebars of any vehicle.
To claim, as some here do, that road warning signs and safer roads is somehow "dumbing down" the competency of people is plain rubbish, too.
You don't get to be an old dog without learning a few tricks.
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Forum whore
Lots of roadside signs are placed in questionable places, no argument there. But I figure it's better to watch the blacktop....
Another thing that amuses me is how some of the worst driving I see daily is the commuter rushing off to the job he/she hates, or the rush to get home from same....just an observation.
Bogeyman
Of course the people doing so are across all sectors of society, any random sample of 0.000075% of the population will be.
Sorta makes a nonsense of any claim that "certain types" are mostly responsible eh?
And I wasn't claiming signage was "dumbing down" the competancy of people. It probably is but in my case I don't pay it most of it much heed so I really don't give a fuck. I was claiming that some of it was bloody dangerous. Like the fucking big posts all around the outside of a curve with arrows stuck on them telling you there's a curve there.
And another thing: "traffic calming" measures. Don't. In fact the next time I find some shiney orange plastic floppy posts in the middle of a perfectly normal piece of road I'm likely to chope the fuckers down. And don't get me started on the closing of passing lanes on hollidays...
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God's Evil Twin
And that statement right there ^ is why most studies (not sponsored by those with vested financial interest) show that higher or no speed limits tend to work out safer than whats being forced upon us by people that have no idea what they're talking about. Because at the higher speeds people don't "drift off" or get bored, they pay attention to what they're doing.
But even worse, NZ is currently running round changing the speeds to below minimum threshold i.e. the speed at which even the slowest driver will tolerate. So now we have a whole lotta roads (& more coming) with speed limits even the oldest slowest granny in NZ will break because they are well below anyones tolerable limits.
Science Is But An Organized System Of Ignorance"Pornography: The thing with billions of views that nobody watches" - WhiteManBehindADesk
Loud and Uncouth
Oh yes.
And unfortunately so have the bosses.
They give the idea a big
Like I care...
Winding up drongos, foil hat wearers and over sensitive KBers for over 14,000 posts...........
" Life is not a rehearsal, it's as happy or miserable as you want to make it"
Smarty pants... since ages ago
So ... the things that caused that "inattention" WONT be there at a higher speed ... ???
The cell phone wont ring ... the CD player WONT need changing CD's ... the baby strapped in the back seat WONT need checking ... kids WONT need telling off (not allowed to smack eh ...!!!) Maps wont need checking ... The 1001 things that distract a driver/rider on any trp ... WONT/CAN'T happen ... because you are going a bit faster ... ??? ... yeah right ...
In the "momentary lapse's in good judgement" ... you travel just that bit further ... at a higher speed :duh: and that "split second of not seeing something" ... gets that bit closer sooner, at a higher speed. At an even slightly higher speed ... the incompetent will really be shown in their truer numbers ...
Well ... if you frequent those roads ... you deserve to be held up by "Granny" ... I prefer to find roads that aren't policed (often), and are in low traffic volume areas ... much more fun ...
When life throws you a curve ... Lean into it ...
God's Evil Twin
They'll be there but are far less likely to distract, as the person is concentrating on driving. Same reason bikers are found to be far better road users than cages, we have to concentrate on the task at hand.
Some of us have to travel certain roads to get places I don't always enjoy it but it's gotta be done sometimes (tho the roads are usually fun when you can actually drive them)
Science Is But An Organized System Of Ignorance"Pornography: The thing with billions of views that nobody watches" - WhiteManBehindADesk
In the riders seat
There's a good Tui add in that
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
Forum whore
Did you miss the fact that the highest death toll is among those who drive/ride consistently fast and who consider themselves "good" drivers/riders. And that motorcyclists are contributing a disproportionately larger tally to the road toll?
The "worse" drivers are as a percentage lower in the stats than the "good" drivers. That's why I said to check the stats. You will find you are somewhat misled by opinion.
You don't get to be an old dog without learning a few tricks.
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God's Evil Twin
Think it's worth remembering there are lies, damm lies & statistics. I get the info from studies & prefer studies done without any vested financial interest backing.
Stats also don't include the cause of the crash like the "worse" driver causing the the "good" driver to take evasive action leading to the crash/death
Science Is But An Organized System Of Ignorance"Pornography: The thing with billions of views that nobody watches" - WhiteManBehindADesk
Forum whore
The stats simply record who crashed, who died, where it happened and how many crashes/deaths in that area. No bias about it.
You don't get to be an old dog without learning a few tricks.
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Night rider
Stats like that are worse than useless. The only stats that have any meaning are those that compare accident rates with distance travelled. Unfortunately that important piece of data is missing.
The official stats http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...sheet-2010.pdf include this comment
This counters your statementLearner licence holders make up a greater percentage of motorcyclists involved in crashes (21 percent) than overall drivers, including motorcyclists (7 percent). In 2009, motorcyclist learner licence holders made up 12 percent of all motorcycle licence holders, whereas learner car licence holders made up only 8 percent of all car licence holders. Fifty-seven percent of car learner licence holders were aged under 25 years old, whereas only 16 percent of motorcycle learner licence holders were aged under 25 years.Did you miss the fact that the highest death toll is among those who drive/ride consistently fast and who consider themselves "good" drivers/riders. And that motorcyclists are contributing a disproportionately larger tally to the road toll?
Time to ride
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Point taken but I was talking about deaths in this instance, so perhaps we can find out the death toll among the age groups?
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