Checkpoint this morning. No rego fine & found out my licence has expired

[scumdog]

I'd just forward any fine onto NZTA for payment, their company fucked up their company can pay for any damages occured as a result of said fuckup

Can you really do that, will it really work???????

[willytheekid]

Can you really do that, will it really work???????

...Im! not counting on it. (nor would I do it)

Im going to stick to the proper channels, everyone has been really helpful and understanding, worse case, I have to re-sit the license's...it may cost a sweet penny and take time, but at least I still have options

ps: Be gentle scummy!...I bruise easily in my old age

[Scuba_Steve]

Can you really do that, will it really work???????

you can do it, not sure it'd work but I'd try it anyways, after all not like I'd pay em so might as well see if someones willing, that & I'd try it for shits n giggles just cause I'm not a fan of NZTA anyways. They're an extortion of money with constant fuckups. Another of them being case in point

[PrincessBandit]

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One other option to take, is get the learners then apply for an exemption.

...(As I was "Forbidden to drive/ride" until a non expired license was obtained), ...
... want to run every thing through the police on Monday to see if they can help or offer any kind of advice, or even an exemption to see me through till everything is sorted out

...frustrating yes, but gotta go through the right channels etc)

well if ur happy with that solution, all the best.

Believe it or not youngling, some people are quite prepared (if not actually happy) to "go through the system" rather than finding every last loophole or shortcut they can find.

When I look at my license I find it amusing that the issue date for my car license (back in the days when you just sat the test and went straight onto a full) is the only issue date on it. Only had my bike full for 4 years, compared to 32 in the car, but no mention of that date on it at all. I suppose they consider a full license "full", regardless of earliest or latest date of issue??

[oldrider]

...Im! not counting on it. (nor would I do it)

Im going to stick to the proper channels, everyone has been really helpful and understanding, worse case, I have to re-sit the license's...it may cost a sweet penny and take time, but at least I still have options

ps: Be gentle scummy!...I bruise easily in my old age

Hey there willy, did they issue L plates with your new teeth or have you got a full on them already?

If not it might not pay to smile too much at the next check point you encounter!

[willytheekid]

Believe it or not youngling, some people are quite prepared (if not actually happy) to "go through the system" rather than finding every last loophole or shortcut they can find.

When I look at my license I find it amusing that the issue date for my car license (back in the days when you just sat the test and went straight onto a full) is the only issue date on it. Only had my bike full for 4 years, compared to 32 in the car, but no mention of that date on it at all. I suppose they consider a full license "full", regardless of earliest or latest date of issue??

Hi PB

Thanks, I learnt many years ago to work within the rules, the official systems & use the right channels.
The outcome may not be what you want, but the alternative "routes" can produce bad consequences and leave you far worse off

"Some" of the attitudes on this web site towards the police & the law truly discust me!
Especially as they do so much for us, and they are the first people we call when we need help....you just have to see what they did during the quake to know these guys & girls DESERVE our respect.
(I witnessed them 1st hand, scared shitless like the rest of us, but standing there ground on every street corner in central city amidst falling debrie, to ensure we all got out safely & home to our familys...I even had one run out and help steady my bike when the 2nd one hit...I will never! forget the personal sacrifice & great risk they put themselfs in...for us!)

So if I am required to resit my license's...then so be it!, as I have previously stated...it may be a bugger & cost me alot of $$$...but at least I know i have gone through the proper channels, tried my best, and can feel good about the way I have handled both myself & the situation.....self respect & pride walk hand in hand as they say

Rant over

[willytheekid]

Hey there willy, did they issue L plates with your new teeth or have you got a full on them already?

If not it might not pay to smile too much at the next check point you encounter!

LOL...straight to FULL!...or is that partial?
And now I can actually smile Im making the most of it!

[sinfull]

I say you were lucky to have been let off so lightly, that lady cop could have hurt ya bad had she wanted !
Be interesting to find out if there are demerits on licence expired !

Know there are 35 on wrong class of licence
35 on no registration
hmmm if there is 35 on licence expired and you had gone in with the wrong attitude a cop could have taken ya bike, and made you walk for 3 months lol

That would have sucked huh

Even if your gonna go through the channels, i'd see if i can get it in writing that it was an Ltsa fuck up, so you can show to any cop that may pull you in future (6 months) cop descretion yes but if it's in writing and not just your word would lean any cop in your favour !

[willytheekid]

I say you were lucky to have been let off so lightly, that lady cop could have hurt ya bad had she wanted !
Be interesting to find out if there are demerits on licence expired !

Know there are 35 on wrong class of licence
35 on no registration
hmmm if there is 35 on licence expired and you had gone in with the wrong attitude a cop could have taken ya bike, and made you walk for 3 months lol

That would have sucked huh

Even if your gonna go through the channels, i'd see if i can get it in writing that it was an Ltsa fuck up, so you can show to any cop that may pull you in future (6 months) cop descretion yes but if it's in writing and not just your word would lean any cop in your favour !

Gidday Sinfull

Yes!...I was BLOODY LUCKY!, she could have thrown the book at me hard! & had every right to confiscate the bike under the "letter of the law".
She was very nice to deal with, and advised me that it was my attitude and the fact they have seen the bike around lots and knew I both was a safe rider and good road user that stopped her issuing ALOT of tickets and taking the bike.
-Hence I took the day off to organise rego and temp license to prove her generosity & understanding wasn't given wrongly.
I carry ALL the paper work with me (Temp license, new rego, copy of all emails etc) just in case!, but I have arranged to go in with the missus 2 days a week...and have to "risk it" the remaining 3 days (No bus service near work...bugger it! and can't find anyone in my area to car pool with...at least Ive tried!)
But Im biting the bullet and booking in for my Restricted next weekend (as I still havnt heard from NZTA regarding the issue...I just can't wait for them...to risky!)
At least with a restricted it dosn't look "quite" so bad, and once again proves I am being as proactive as possible towards this issue.

The Police, AA and NZTA-(helpdesk!) have been very understanding & absolutely great to deal with so far....very! impressed with the service and help they have provided me.

[Gearup]

Hi PB

Thanks, I learnt many years ago to work within the rules, the official systems & use the right channels.
The outcome may not be what you want, but the alternative "routes" can produce bad consequences and leave you far worse off

"Some" of the attitudes on this web site towards the police & the law truly discust me!
Especially as they do so much for us, and they are the first people we call when we need help....you just have to see what they did during the quake to know these guys & girls DESERVE our respect.
(I witnessed them 1st hand, scared shitless like the rest of us, but standing there ground on every street corner in central city amidst falling debrie, to ensure we all got out safely & home to our familys...I even had one run out and help steady my bike when the 2nd one hit...I will never! forget the personal sacrifice & great risk they put themselfs in...for us!)

So if I am required to resit my license's...then so be it!, as I have previously stated...it may be a bugger & cost me alot of $$$...but at least I know i have gone through the proper channels, tried my best, and can feel good about the way I have handled both myself & the situation.....self respect & pride walk hand in hand as they say

Rant over

It's good that you're ok with working within the rules etc.

As far as cops go, they're paid to do a job. Some are nice and some aren't. You haven't obviously been really pleasant with one and still got a "discretionary" ticket when all factors were in your favour for just a warning.

[willytheekid]

As far as cops go, they're paid to do a job. Some are nice and some aren't. You haven't obviously been really pleasant with one and still got a "discretionary" ticket when all factors were in your favour for just a warning.

Hi Gearup

"As far as cops go, they're paid to do a job"...not paid enough!-(IMHO)

"Some are nice and some aren't"....Thats just human nature for ya! (and nearly all the cops I have dealt with are nice regular people...they just happen to wear a uniform, get paid shit money and put up with far to much crap!

"You haven't obviously been really pleasant with one and still got a "discretionary" ticket when all factors were in your favour for just a warning"....Oh Ive been there before!, but I have learnt not to give them a reason to stop me in the first place, and besides, a good attitude etc dosn't make you exempt from the rules.(I'll take what is handed to me...good or bad)...besides, if your nice to people & show them some respect, you usually get same back (In my job I have to talk to people all day & fix there problems, answer questions etc and it always amazes me how angry/demanding people expect everything!, yet give give nothing in return....I see it as there problem, and don't make it mine!)

Take care Gearup, always good to get another persons opinion.

[Gearup]

Hi Gearup

"As far as cops go, they're paid to do a job"...not paid enough!-(IMHO)

"Some are nice and some aren't"....Thats just human nature for ya! (and nearly all the cops I have dealt with are nice regular people...they just happen to wear a uniform, get paid shit money and put up with far to much crap!

"You haven't obviously been really pleasant with one and still got a "discretionary" ticket when all factors were in your favour for just a warning"....Oh Ive been there before!, but I have learnt not to give them a reason to stop me in the first place, and besides, a good attitude etc dosn't make you exempt from the rules.(I'll take what is handed to me...good or bad)...besides, if your nice to people & show them some respect, you usually get same back (In my job I have to talk to people all day & fix there problems, answer questions etc and it always amazes me how angry/demanding people expect everything!, yet give give nothing in return....I see it as there problem, and don't make it mine!)

Take care Gearup, always good to get another persons opinion.

It sounds like you're in customer services or such like wtk.

[willytheekid]

Update:

Or actually "Set back"

Finally heard from NZTA.

Email follows
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Good afternoon ******,


Thank you for your email dated 19 September 2011.

The NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has administered the Driver Licence Register since 3 May 1999. Prior to this date, all driver licences were managed by the Ministry of Transport. Prior to 1977 a paper based system was used to record driver licences issued by local councils. From 1977, these paper records were progressively transferred to microfiche until the introduction of a new computerised National Driver Licence Register in 1999.

If you can supply evidence that you have held these full classes, such as your booklet or paper licence, or copies of test results, your request can be reviewed.

One of the above forms of evidence can be sent, along with a letter from yourself for consideration to:

NZ Transport Agency

Distribution and Tracking Team

Private Bag 11777

Palmerston North 4442

If you are unable to provide evidence of having held these classes, you will need to obtain a full car and motorcycle licence by progressing through the Graduated Driver Licensing System. I have attached factsheet 45 and 28, for your information.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/fa...-to-drive.html

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/fa...ences.html#two


I trust this information clarifies your query.

Regards

Alex

__________________________________________________ ________

Customer Access
NZ Transport Agency
Private Bag 11777
Palmerston North 4442
New Zealand
www.nzta.govt.nz

It’s quick and easy to pay for your vehicle licence online at www.nzta.govt.nz and we post you the label!

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So what they require from me to progress, are the items that I have already stated I do not have, due to sending in my Paper license 13yrs ago (along with the $10 admin fee!) and losing my plastic Full license.
And it appears as tho they will just pass the buck to the previous data base operators/managers.

I have even found a work colleague who's father (52 yrs old!) went through the same damn issue....except he HAD his old paper license and clear proof of a full license.
The outcome for him......Sorry!, please resit your license's and pay again $$$$.

So it has become VERY clear to me that the NZTA is just out to make as much possible money out of THERE mistakes as possible, and as I have finally ran out of patience with NZTA, I will bite the bullet and move on.(God its frustrating! & Disruptive!)

I have arrange to borrow a little bike off a mate of mine (scorpion..nice wee bike) and will be booking in for my bike restricted license this saturday.-$108 (Had to wait for pay day...fortnightly...and I simply can't afford to do car restricted as well)
I will then have to do a defensive driving course to reduce the time to 3 months(Another $200 to add to the tally)

So in the mean time, due to my home & work location, I will be forced to "Break the letter of the law" and use "PhatGirl" 3 days* a week for transport, and risk a HUGE fine etc.(That we can't afford)
I have even stopped taking my weekend ride/medicine to stay as legal as possible(2 weekends now....god it HURTS!)

*I have managed to talked my partner into going into town to work for her mother (instead of working from home for 2 days) and now have to put my 1.5yr old son (Ryder) at risk in rush hour morning/afternoon traffic (And my bloody dog!)

-I have tried bus routes (need to catch 2x buses and will arrive nearly 2hrs! late for work...and I can't change hours without risking my job)
I have tried to arrange a car pool/ride (No-one! goes to my side of town at that hour...the one guy I DID find finished work 3 weeks ago to move back to england..still looking tho), and a Taxi is FAR!! to costly (I'd be working for free!)

So in short, NZTA's lack of organisation and "want of money" has screwed me, forced me to break to law, and put my entire family at risk 2 days a week, and stretched our single income family to the limit

But what other options do I have? (seriously...anyone got any tips or ideas, I would LOVE to hear from you...and selling my bike is NOT an option...EVER!!)

But on a good note, a BIG! thankyou must go out to the ChCh police , who have been nothing but helpful and an absolute pleasure to deal with during this whole process

So...anyone in CHCh got a highway capable scooter there not presently using ?

[sleemanj]

Some options I can think of...
1. Go visit NZTA in person, 245 Blenheim Road, and try to get as far up the food chain as possible, the reply you got from the NZTA was probably from some level one drone reading from a script.
2. Contact your MP
3. Contact the Minister of Transport (Steven Joyce)
4. Contact the Office of the Ombudsman http://www.ombudsmen.parliament.nz/
5. Apply for an exemption (probably once you have got your restricted)

[willytheekid]

Some options I can think of...
1. Go visit NZTA in person, 245 Blenheim Road, and try to get as far up the food chain as possible, the reply you got from the NZTA was probably from some level one drone reading from a script.
2. Contact your MP
3. Contact the Minister of Transport (Steven Joyce)
4. Contact the Office of the Ombudsman http://www.ombudsmen.parliament.nz/
5. Apply for an exemption (probably once you have got your restricted)

Thanks man, good advice
I will try for an excemption through the officer at central station as she has the full history of this issue and has been absolutely GREAT! to deal with so far (once I have the restricted of course)
But the work mates father tried to "shake them up" with going to the top etc and got no where!(seems clear they can see money to be made!)...hense I will just bite the bullet and get the licenses again