Checkpoint this morning. No rego fine & found out my licence has expired

**been_there** · 28th September 2011, 12:44

Bugger!!!!!
So they cant be arsed to help you, unless u prove it...Easy way out, bunch of

As a side note, would they reimburse your costs if you do manage to prove it after you have shell out the coin? I doubt it....start the blame game again!!!!!

**Bassmatt** · 28th September 2011, 13:18

FFS. How much further you gonna bend over for them.

**willytheekid** · 28th September 2011, 13:39

Originally Posted by Bassmatt

FFS. How much further you gonna bend over for them.

Ohh your absolutely right!

...I should waste MORE of my time fighting a government dept, instead of sorting it out myself using the fastest "proven" method to becoming legal again.(so I can actually ride THIS summer)

Did you miss the part about about my work mates father?, he HAD all the evidence on hand, so he fought them...and he lost!, and he wasted so much time he ended up wishing he had just gone straight to the AA and booked in again by the end of it.

I do understand where your coming from bassmatt

, but its become VERY clear to me that these bastards (like most govnt depts) just have dollar signs in their eyes.
I would love to keep fighting it, but if im gonna pick a fight...I'd like to at least win!

**Bassmatt** · 28th September 2011, 13:52

Originally Posted by willytheekid

Ohh your absolutely right!

...I should waste MORE of my time fighting a government dept, instead of sorting it out myself using the fastest "proven" method to becoming legal again.(so I can actually ride THIS summer)

Did you miss the part about about my work mates father?, he HAD all the evidence on hand, so he fought them...and he lost!, and he wasted so much time he ended up wishing he had just gone straight to the AA and booked in again by the end of it.

I do understand where your coming from bassmatt

, but its become VERY clear to me that these bastards (like most govnt depts) just have dollar signs in their eyes.
I would love to keep fighting it, but if im gonna pick a fight...I'd like to at least win!

Yeah I understand what your saying too. Someone needs to make a stand over these type of issues though, if only to prevent it happening to others.
I kinda wish they would "lose" my info.

**Scuba_Steve** · 28th September 2011, 13:57

Originally Posted by willytheekid

Ohh your absolutely right!

...I should waste MORE of my time fighting a government dept, instead of sorting it out myself using the fastest "proven" method to becoming legal again.(so I can actually ride THIS summer)

But you said you had booked your restricted didn't you??? So you still can't ride "THIS summer" you'll have 18 months to wait before you can ride, lest you have your hands on a 250 or less and don't forget the 2200 curfew

**Bald Eagle** · 28th September 2011, 14:02

As I undersgtand it you have a believe that you hold full class of licence.
You may be able to apply what used to be the Colour of right defence. It's now called the 'Claim of Right" as per NZ Statute extract below:
Crimes Amendment Act 2003 No 39, Public Act

Interpretation

(1) Section 2(1) of the principal Act is amended by repealing the definition of colour of right, and substituting the following definition:
“claim of right, in relation to any act, means a belief that the act is lawful, although that belief may be based on ignorance or mistake of fact or of any matter of law other than the enactment against which the offence is alleged to have been committed.”

**willytheekid** · 28th September 2011, 14:05

Originally Posted by Bassmatt

Yeah I understand what your saying too. Someone needs to make a stand over these type of issues though, if only to prevent it happening to others.
I kinda wish they would "lose" my info.

Oh God Bassmatt, be careful what you wish for regarding these muppets....given the chance I imagine they could screw up anyones details.

**willytheekid** · 28th September 2011, 14:24

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

But you said you had booked your restricted didn't you??? So you still can't ride "THIS summer" you'll have 18 months to wait before you can ride, lest you have your hands on a 250 or less and don't forget the 2200 curfew

Don't get me started with the booking in for restricted Scuba....even that has turned into a nightmare!

(I jumped the gun on that one)

Since I have a temp license, the online booking system won't accept the temp license number, so I can't see what dates are available, and when I rang the AA & NZTA neither could provide any dates

(AA said I had to come in and fill the paper work out first & pay or wait for plastic to arrive in the mail to use the online system, and the NZTA only use the online system and couldnt provide any info either...GAHHH!!!)

And due to the earth quakes there are only 2! AA offices open in ChCh (sydnam & shirley)...and shirley dosn't do the ride tests!

So I have to go in on saturday, pay and fill in the paper work, THEN they can tell me what times are available for the ride test -(doing it in riccarton...closest to work, as I have to take a half day off work to do this...they don't do sat ride tests!

...MORE lost money!)

And its only 6 months on restricted for over 25yr olds (Im old...and aging bloody RAPIDLY due to this shit!)
So with a defensive riding course I can have it all cleaned up in 3months!...if I can afford it!

...and No, I don't have 250 I can borrow to get me through the 3 months...but if I cover up the last 0 on the guzzi's 1100 sticker....ya reakon that could work?

(I pritty close to climbing a bell tower!...but clinging to my sanity....for now!)

**willytheekid** · 28th September 2011, 14:29

Originally Posted by Bald Eagle

As I undersgtand it you have a believe that you hold full class of licence.
You may be able to apply what used to be the Colour of right defence. It's now called the 'Claim of Right" as per NZ Statute extract below:
Crimes Amendment Act 2003 No 39, Public Act

Interpretation

(1) Section 2(1) of the principal Act is amended by repealing the definition of colour of right, and substituting the following definition:
“claim of right, in relation to any act, means a belief that the act is lawful, although that belief may be based on ignorance or mistake of fact or of any matter of law other than the enactment against which the offence is alleged to have been committed.”

.......wishing I was a lawyer right now so I could "Fully" understand that eagle.
Ive given up mate.....they win!....they can have there money & I can have my license back in 3 months...simple but costly sollution....and not so scary as what your proposing, but thank you for the input, its is truly appriciated (Even if not fully understood)

**no_8wire** · 28th September 2011, 14:38

Under section 7 on your drivers licence what does it say?
i.e
7. 1,6
(Full Class 1 and full class 6)
or
7. 1L,6
or

7. 1,6L

**scumdog** · 28th September 2011, 17:10

Go to the newspapers (OK, mostly they're wankers I admit)
Go to TV
Go to your ombudsman/MP whoever

But get lotsa publicity, all you can get.

Play on you being responsible, on how you have tried to do the 'right thing', on the economy of commuting on your bike blah blah.

**Edbear** · 28th September 2011, 17:18

Originally Posted by scumdog

Go to the newspapers (OK, mostly they're wankers I admit)
Go to TV
Go to your ombudsman/MP whoever

But get lotsa publicity, all you can get.

Play on you being responsible, on how you have tried to do the 'right thing', on the economy of commuting on your bike blah blah.

Werf a cwack Nigel...

**sleemanj** · 28th September 2011, 18:45

Originally Posted by willytheekid

And due to the earth quakes there are only 2! AA offices open in ChCh (sydnam & shirley)...and shirley dosn't do the ride tests!

What about VTNZ (Jipcho Road)?

**Daffyd** · 28th September 2011, 19:01

Originally Posted by sleemanj

Some options I can think of...
1. Go visit NZTA in person, 245 Blenheim Road, and try to get as far up the food chain as possible, the reply you got from the NZTA was probably from some level one drone reading from a script.
2. Contact your MP
3. Contact the Minister of Transport (Steven Joyce)
4. Contact the Office of the Ombudsman http://www.ombudsmen.parliament.nz/
5. Apply for an exemption (probably once you have got your restricted)

Wot 'e said.

**willytheekid** · 29th September 2011, 07:30

Originally Posted by scumdog

Go to the newspapers (OK, mostly they're wankers I admit)
Go to TV
Go to your ombudsman/MP whoever

But get lotsa publicity, all you can get.

Play on you being responsible, on how you have tried to do the 'right thing', on the economy of commuting on your bike blah blah.

Originally Posted by Edbear

Werf a cwack Nigel...

Originally Posted by Daffyd

Wot 'e said.

My God!...remind me never to pick a fight with you guys.

I have one more option available to me, a lovely KB member has contacted me, and may be supplying me with a contact that assisted them in getting a license issue sorted.

But as for Picking a fight with a Govn't Dept

......Im obviously not as..."keen" as you lot

..

. (especially after hearing about my work mates father...the shit he went through...just to lose!)

As I said in one of my previous posts "Im going to stick to the proper channels, everyone has been really helpful and understanding, worse case, I have to re-sit the license's...it may cost a sweet penny and take time, but at least I still have options

"

I am going to stick to said proper channels & refrain from getting into a mesy shit slinging match with NZTA etc.
At the end of the day, I! was the one who knew I had a discrepency with my license-(learner/Full showing in system), and I was the one who ignored this factor for years, so in reality, the responcibilty and possible repercussions must fall squarely on me!

But I would like to thank all you KB members for the support, advice (good, bad or otherwise

) and the genuine understanding of a fellow rider/members predicament.....this is why I love this site and have chosen to share this issue with all of you, Thank you All

Respectfully

Willytheekid

ps: I will keep the updates coming....good or bad, I will share the outcome with you all.