Hayabusa genuine top speed?

[raziel1983]

Some people here are so smart. Others need to read between the lines a bit.
The 3 points I made were
- Busa beat the blackbird
- Supposedly the Busa was first bike annouced to do past 300kph
- A test against an XJ220 showed the Blackbird did over 200mph

So which was fact?

I'll rephrase my comment then.. There's NO WAY a stock cbr1100xx can reach 200mph, It doesn't have the power, not to mention it not being geared long enough to reach it.

Also if the blackbird supposedly did 200mph(322kph) How was it that the busa was the first to do 300kph?

[DEATH_INC.]

Afaik, the Blackbird was the first "hyperbike" to use that term loosely and the first to break 300kph.

Back when the ZZR1100 was released, there was attached to the one in the local Kwakka shop an article from somewhere in germany about a stocker being radared at 304kph, I believe on the autobahn. Plus I remember an article in PB I think, they ran a ZZR against a Bird, they said you couldn't seperate them, 'cept the ZZR could eek past the Bird with a little tow to get it started, but the Bird couldn't return the favour. Not bad considering the age/tech difference...

[Stylo]

I'll rephrase my comment then.. There's NO WAY a stock cbr1100xx can reach 200mph, It doesn't have the power, not to mention it not being geared long enough to reach it.

Also if the blackbird supposedly did 200mph(322kph) How was it that the busa was the first to do 300kph?

Only seen 260 out of this one so far but, I'm still running it in ... 2450km's

Not so sure if a Blackbird has the Ponies to do 300 but I'll let you guys fight it out aye

[Madness]

The two Blackbirds that did the same Cliffhanger Flying 1/4 I did a few years back were no match for my old '93 ZZR1100. I found out soon after that I likely had bugger all compression too with no clearance at all on several of the exhaust valves. All that said, I topped out at 265km/hr on the day.

Roll on the 10th of October

[tigertim20]

I'll rephrase my comment then.. There's NO WAY a stock cbr1100xx can reach 200mph, It doesn't have the power, not to mention it not being geared long enough to reach it.

Also if the blackbird supposedly did 200mph(322kph) How was it that the busa was the first to do 300kph?

Maybe the b/bird was the first bike to reach 200mph according to its speedo, stock.
and the busa was the first to do 300kmh and prove it with gps/radar technology???

besides, since when did manufacturers tell the truth about their bikes?
I can see the sales pitch now
'Its not as light as the zxr, its slower than most of the other bikes, but its cool so buy the new R1, even though everyone else has done development work on their new models, but we cant be fucked'
Im sure sales would skyrocket with honest advertising . . .

[LBD]

The two Blackbirds that did the same Cliffhanger Flying 1/4 I did a few years back were no match for my old '93 ZZR1100. I found out soon after that I likely had bugger all compression too with no clearance at all on several of the exhaust valves. All that said, I topped out at 265km/hr on the day.

Roll on the 10th of October

What on the 10th Oct....I thought the next Cliffhanger was Nov 12th?.....one week after the end of my holidays and I git back here...

[Madness]

What on the 10th Oct....I thought the next Cliffhanger was Nov 12th?.....one week after the end of my holidays and I git back here...

No, not the Cliffhanger. http://ninja14r.kawasaki.com/witness/

[Coolz]

PerfomanceBike mag July 2001.

[ducatilover]

Breaking the 311km/h the original Bus did will take a large step in HP. The MV F4i312R did 312 (duh) with more HP than the Bus. It's all in the aerodynamics and power delivery, not the HP numbers so much (nor the weight) and unfortunately, bikes have heinous co-efficient ratings.

Cannot remember what the D16RR managed.
The BBird was fast, but, the 'Busa munched it.
The majority of standard thou' will break 300 without a top speed limiter.

But, the Cliffhanger results speak for themselves, would be nice to see a de-restricted later model with standard HP go down the 'hanger run though.

[Metastable]

When the 2nd generation Busa came out, BIKE mag did a test to try and break the 200mph mark and they JUST managed to do it.

The bike was about as stock as you could have it, with just enough minor mods in order to do it. Memory is kinda foggy, as to what they did, but I know they took off all the mirrors and taped up certain sections of the bike to increase aerodynamics, and a few other smallish mods. Anyhoo - just got to 200mph.... or approximately 320kph. Plus I am sure that was way longer than a 1/4 mile test.

[kiwifruit]

1/4 mile test.

The flying 1/4 has a very long run up, about 2km. Long enough to hit the start at top speed.

[avgas]

I'll rephrase my comment then.. There's NO WAY a stock cbr1100xx can reach 200mph, It doesn't have the power, not to mention it not being geared long enough to reach it.

Also if the blackbird supposedly did 200mph(322kph) How was it that the busa was the first to do 300kph?

My thoughts exactly.
I reckon 200 on a blackbird was impossible - not due to HP.....but if the factory claims 178mph......good luck in getting past 190.

And if it could....then how does busa breaking 300kph fit in?

There are lots of figures, but few facts.

Ironically, in that article with the bbird and the XJ220......the jag didn't break 200mph and that cars supposed top speed was over 220mph!

[ducatilover]

When the 2nd generation Busa came out, BIKE mag did a test to try and break the 200mph mark and they JUST managed to do it.

Do you have a link? Because 200mph on a standard bike is absolutely mental

[Metastable]

It wasn't standard, it had minor mods.... the mods that many guys do to their bikes like PC, exhaust.... stuff like that. Nothing too crazy like engine work etc.... if memory serves me right. I'll try to find it.

My bad on the flying 1/4... didn't know they had that much room to accelerate.

Edit -> I can't find the details. When I google it, I get an old 1st generation Hayabusa test that went 200.2 mph, but unless I'm going nuts, it wasn't done THAT long ago.... within the last couple of years or so, on the 2nd generation bike. There is also another article that pops up on Google about SuperStreet Bike magazine about a nitrous Busa, but that's not it either. Someone has to remember that article.

[tigertim20]

[QUOTE=Coolz;1130170331]PerfomanceBike mag July 2001

a picture of a speedo is useless in this debate which seeks to find the TRUE speed, not a picture of a bike speedo, which are know to be highly innaccurate

My thoughts exactly.
I reckon 200 on a blackbird was impossible - not due to HP.....but if the factory claims 178mph......good luck in getting past 190.

And if it could....then how does busa breaking 300kph fit in?

There are lots of figures, but few facts.

Ironically, in that article with the bbird and the XJ220......the jag didn't break 200mph and that cars supposed top speed was over 220mph!

ahh, the difference between factory claimed stats and reality. alot of bikes out there simply do not pull what they claim. Its all marketing. if yamaha said their 2012 R1 can do 205mph, everyone who owns one would be saying 'my bike does 205 mph' without having any idea if it was true or not.

It seems the marketing of some of these bikes has resulted in the creation of some old wives tales about the abilities of these bikes