Winch project

[buggsubique]

Ok, here's the deal.

The Africa is a pig of a heavy bike...but I want to ride it places like 2 smokes go...and maybe some places where they cant. Infact, as an arbitrary goal, perhaps I want to take it through the rock garden and devils staircase...I think the term for that is "stretch goal"

So who's got experience with ATV winches? There's a few around, around the $50-150 mark...and probably nothing flash at that price. I's also looking at boat winches which seem to rate around the 900kg mark. Ample for the 250ish kg riding weight of the AT.

Two key issues I need advice on are lifting / pulling points on the frame and the electrical set up - ie where to take the current from (indeed peak draw of the unit). The AT has a tonne of space under the rear side panels for a secondary battery...but with a 320W (or is it 360W? must check...) stator perhaps it can run off the motobatt with the other electrics off and the engine running? Already have a fan-cooled heavy duty reg/rect fitted.

Pulling points I was thinking about having the winch running two strops back to the footpegs, and then the cable running forward (or back) to the anchor point. This way the setup can be dismounted in seconds and stowed till needed.

I'll be the first to admit, there isn't a lot that logically justifies this project apart from "just coz".

Only other link I've found is this old one which is lame.

Thoughts?

[DR650gary]

Block & tackle may also work for the rare occasions you would need it.

Something like this

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunt...-410281872.htm

I know it says 180 kg limit, but you would be mainly dragging not dead weight lifting.

[JATZ]

Hmmmm, Interesting.....

Could you mount the winch down low, say about bashplate level and run the cable through a block attached to the bottom triple clamp ?
Some how attach the control switch to the handle bar ?
I'm guessing you want to be seated on the bike while your winching ?
How 'bout Hydraulic winches ?


You've got me thinking now....

[Padmei]

All I want to see is the video of the 1st time you use it bro.
Actually I thought the thread was going to be about winching our bikes across the Wairau..

[buggsubique]

Hmmmm, Interesting.....

You've got me thinking now....

That's the spirit Jatz! I don't have a lot of room under the front cowl / lights , infact I would need to drop a steel mounting plate off the lower triple clamp bolts to drop it another 20-30mm then run it out front...

Bashplate mounts on the front - that's a good idea, but I think they're only steel tabs.. Maybe I'll look at the engine bar mounts and see about that...

Lookin at this one tomorrow. Boat winch but might be able to stow in a pannier rather than be mounted up the already heavy front end...

[buggsubique]

Actually I thought the thread was going to be about winching our bikes across the Wairau..

Yeah we talked about that didn't we... still on the to-do list...along with sealing the airbox, drainage hoses, exhaust...

[pete-blen]

opps double post..Deleted..

[Eddieb]

I've thought about this before:

[pete-blen]

I think a boat capstan would be yer best bet..
it will need a rope retainer....then the rope feeds on to the ground
be hined you.. rap the rope 3 or 4 times around the capstan then lock
the retainer roller down...

as far as wireing goes... You have the wire in the bike
already..starter motor ...Put a 2 way switch in the HT lead to the
motor.. then you can send power to either the starter or caspstan/winch..
use the start button...(PS.. start button is a low amp draw so theres no
chance of burning the start button out..hi amps go though the solinoid)

with a 2 wheeler you are going to need to be sitting on the bike..
rope/cable pullers are no good if you are alone...

[Eddieb]

oops double post

[JATZ]

The trouble with those Bugs is they are quite bulky unless you did put it in a pannier and attach it with a karabiner to a low mounting point.
I was thinking of something like this>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjDyZ8B14K4
Mount it sort of permanantly on your bash plate.... so long as it didn't interfere with spring compression......
Actually they are both quite bulky.....it's starting to give me a headache.....

[buggsubique]

as far as wireing goes... You have the wire in the bike
already..starter motor ...Put a 2 way switch in the HT lead to the
motor.. then you can send power to either the starter or caspstan/winch..
use the start button...(PS.. start button is a low amp draw so theres no
chance of burning the start button out..hi amps go though the solinoid)

That's thinking...cheers Pete.

That muppet in the F800 vid had it direct off his battery, no doubt unfused, and was running the bike same time. Classic when he had the clutch pulled in as his mate released the winch...too much weights not enough speedwork.

So far, these vids are pussies doing demos. This video is a bit more like it...but we can do better lads...



I do like the Warn though...

Pete, if it has a remote then perhaps just take if off the battery side of the starter solenoid? That way, starter remains available and can use the winch controller proper like so it can feed out too? still have the benefit of the 30A main fuse too, so long as I don't use starter and winch?

[almoto]

Check this dude out...he is using his on a RWT trip...

www.guzzioverland.co.uk/

[pete-blen]

That's thinking...cheers Pete.

That muppet in the F800 vid had it direct off his battery, no doubt unfused, and was running the bike same time. Classic when he had the clutch pulled in as his mate released the winch...too much weights not enough speedwork.

So far, these vids are pussies doing demos. This video is a bit more like it...but we can do better lads...



I do like the Warn though...

Pete, if it has a remote then perhaps just take if off the battery side of the starter solenoid? That way, starter remains available and can use the winch controller proper like so it can feed out too? still have the benefit of the 30A main fuse too, so long as I don't use starter and winch?

Usaly the main power surply to the starter motor is un-fused..
ie..Bat into sol / sol to starter motor.. Its the smaller lighter switchs that need
overload protection...
The sol is basicly a big switch that oparated by a small switch/button....

So for a remote set up... come of the out let side of the main fuse..

[clint640]

Having done a bit of winching with 4x4's I can tell you that an electric winch can be a really good way of going from just being stuck, to being stuck with a flat battery.

That Warn winch will use all of your AT's electrical output (& then some probably) to pull you along at about what could do with a block & tackle.

As Pete sez I could see how it might be useful if travelling alone though as you could winch & drive, but I think it would be a bitch to rig to do that in anything but ideal situations, & you don't usually get stuck in 'ideal situations' To not have it pull you over sideways you would need an anchor point directly straight ahead. The times I have had to recover a vehicle that is pointing exactly where it needs to go, with an anchor point exactly on that line also, I can count on the toes of one hand.

Cheers
Clint