Motorcycle ACTION Now!

[idleidolidyll]

Those of you who've been watching know I'm dismayed and frustrated by the inaction of those who claim to represent motorcyclists in NZ.

We have any number of people talking on our behalf but that's been happening for years and we've seen little to no movement from government except appoint a group to investigate. I believe that will be a whitewash or dismissed in the run up to, and following the general election.

With that election looming, NOW is the right time to hit the streets and take real action. Given debate and discussions here over the last month or so, it seems there is little likelihood that one of the existing groups representing us will take action any time soon.

I've been asked to help recruit and guide people on appropriate action we can take individually and in groups to bring real attention to our various causes.

Those of you prepared to get out and be seen to be doing something, those of you thinking that civil disobedience or similar just might be necessary; please pm me and register your interest.

I'll need your location and a contact phone number; preferably a mobile number to be able to receive text messaging. Flash Mobs are a good way to circumvent those who would delay or misdirect us in our action.

As I live in Auckland, I'll have to start here. However, I do get around the country a bit and can make side calls on business trips. Even if you live outside Auckland, register your interest as we can share ideas and recruitment options.

Discussion of actual action options should be carefully worded. don't drop yourself in it with the law who are watching. Register first and we can work out communication methods via pm, txt messaging, email etc.

[idleidolidyll]

A note on leadership.

Leaders are people respected for their vision and actions. they are people other WANT to follow.

I am not proposing myself as leader of this or any group. Should you wish to propose a leader, that would be welcome. When the time comes, I may or may not stand for some kind of leadership role. For the present, please consider me a co-ordinator or facilitator.

We'll go from there.

[superman]

Give me a gang patch and I'll put it on the back of my jacket to show all car drivers what I'm a part of.

[Usarka]

What specific causes are you trying to target and what are your objectives? And how are you expecting to communicate these to the general public?

At the moment it sounds more like an excuse for civil disobedience "because we're pissed off" rather than something that is expected to achieve an outcome.

[DEVVIL]

Will see you at our next Meeting.

Find out whats going on with the call for action.

If you don't show up you don't have a say.


(09) MAG Meeting Wednesday,2nd March 2011

by Caseye » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:08 pm
OK for those who don't know whats going on with the Auckland contingent of MAG-NZ, we have had 3 meetings over the last 3 months. Each has got progressively bigger and better.
Last nights meeting was the last to be held at O'Hagans in the city as it's too crowded and hard to get away from if you have to go out through town.
So the next meeting of the (09) MAG Contingent will be held at the Cardrona Speights Ale House.
At 7 pm on WEDNESDAY the 2nd of march 2011.
Heres the link to the Place.It has directions/ locations maps attached.
No excuses for getting lost now.

http://www.cardronaspeightsalehouse.co.nz/

So do come along, your input is valued and wanted. I'm sure that those attending will find this meeting interesting to say the least.

[idleidolidyll]

This is a serious thread. All attempts to move it off topic will be reported to the moderators. All personal attacks and attempts to spam the thread will be reported to the moderators.

If you have an on topic serious question, it will be answered or discussed as it merits.

Moderators, with your kind assistance I'd like to see all deliberate attacks and attempts to hijack deleted or sent to pointless drivel.

[Fatt Max]

Those of you who've been watching know I'm dismayed and frustrated by the inaction of those who claim to represent motorcyclists in NZ.

We have any number of people talking on our behalf but that's been happening for years and we've seen little to no movement from government except appoint a group to investigate. I believe that will be a whitewash or dismissed in the run up to, and following the general election.

With that election looming, NOW is the right time to hit the streets and take real action. Given debate and discussions here over the last month or so, it seems there is little likelihood that one of the existing groups representing us will take action any time soon.

I've been asked to help recruit and guide people on appropriate action we can take individually and in groups to bring real attention to our various causes.

Those of you prepared to get out and be seen to be doing something, those of you thinking that civil disobedience or similar just might be necessary; please pm me and register your interest.

I'll need your location and a contact phone number; preferably a mobile number to be able to receive text messaging. Flash Mobs are a good way to circumvent those who would delay or misdirect us in our action.

As I live in Auckland, I'll have to start here. However, I do get around the country a bit and can make side calls on business trips. Even if you live outside Auckland, register your interest as we can share ideas and recruitment options.

Discussion of actual action options should be carefully worded. don't drop yourself in it with the law who are watching. Register first and we can work out communication methods via pm, txt messaging, email etc.

Ok, all jokes aside I can see you are both passionate and frustrated. Fair enough, that is more than evident.

I shall ignore your, lets say, aggressive approach because I would not like that to cloud my response. I respect the fact that you are holding no bars so, as far as I am concerned, we can move on.

I see that you have been asked to recruit people. None of my business who asked you but you have taken to the task with the vigour that would be expected.

Your action is being planned through PM’s and text messages to keep it low key and out of the spotlight in case the authorities get wind of it. Yep, sensible move that because you make it clear you will be engaging in some serious action.

You will see I am not trying to be argumentative here…..

All I ask is, and this is with the greatest respect, is how you intend to drum up support when you are alienating yourself from every motorcycling group in the country? Honestly, these groups consist of passionate people, we all want a change and we all want to be part of making that change. You seem to be baiting these people, calling them spineless and threatening to go and tear some arseholes. All very aggressive stuff mate.

I’m not saying don’t get out there and fight the fight, I am just suggesting that active participation and partnership with the motorcycle groups may be more advantageous to the end result. There are members of these organizations who are astute, have built up contacts with lobby groups, political parties, the media, all of whom can succeed on a combined effort.

Do not discount these groups completely as this combined effort could be the answer to all our strife with the challenges our community is facing.

[avgas]

Will see you at our next Meeting.

Can I do burnouts there?

Because I am not the girl guide type supporter

Fuck the talk, fuck the meetings. Burnouts and Riots.
We no longer ask for change, we demand it.

[nodrog:Me]

Ok, all jokes aside I can see you are both passionate and frustrated. Fair enough, that is more than evident.

I shall ignore your, lets say, aggressive approach because I would not like that to cloud my response. I respect the fact that you are holding no bars so, as far as I am concerned, we can move on.

I see that you have been asked to recruit people. None of my business who asked you but you have taken to the task with the vigour that would be expected.

Your action is being planned through PM’s and text messages to keep it low key and out of the spotlight in case the authorities get wind of it. Yep, sensible move that because you make it clear you will be engaging in some serious action.

You will see I am not trying to be argumentative here…..

All I ask is, and this is with the greatest respect, is how you intend to drum up support when you are alienating yourself from every motorcycling group in the country? Honestly, these groups consist of passionate people, we all want a change and we all want to be part of making that change. You seem to be baiting these people, calling them spineless and threatening to go and tear some arseholes. All very aggressive stuff mate.

I’m not saying don’t get out there and fight the fight, I am just suggesting that active participation and partnership with the motorcycle groups may be more advantageous to the end result. There are members of these organizations who are astute, have built up contacts with lobby groups, political parties, the media, all of whom can succeed on a combined effort.

Do not discount these groups completely as this combined effort could be the answer to all our strife with the challenges our community is facing.

I think what he is saying is the current groups are too soft, and have basically bent over and been raped in the bottom. And I think he is correct.

Fanny.

[idleidolidyll]

What specific causes are you trying to target and what are your objectives? And how are you expecting to communicate these to the general public?

At the moment it sounds more like an excuse for civil disobedience "because we're pissed off" rather than something that is expected to achieve an outcome.

Valid questions.

For security reasons I'm not going to reveal details of contacts at this stage or details of processes.. If you are pissed off with the way motorcyclists are treated and with road safety for motorcyclists, and are concerned that none of the national organizations have taken ACTION to highlight these issues; you should get involved. As we progress, information will be disseminated but for the most part that will be done beneath the surface and not on open forums.

Obviously safety of motorcyclists is the primary concern; secondary to that is the unfair treatment of motorcyclists by government and councils (Wellington parking, Aucklands anti motorcycle policy etc)

The issue is not that these are not being discussed. It is that the discussions have amounted to virtually nothing in living memory and unless backed up by overt action, those people discussing and debating can easily be dismissed or fobbed off with trinkets.

This therefore is not a one issue protest, individual protests can each highlight a single issue with the overarching issues of safety and fair treatment always iterated in the background.

I'd like to get to a stage where there is a weekly protest somewhere that cannot be ignored by the media.

So to start with, and as I'm in Auckland as noted, I propose we start with the Auckland City Councils deliberate anti motorcycle policy. Other regions can suggest their own first issue; this beginning is not to tell you which issue to protest but to help you organize support for physical protest.

[Fatt Max]

I think what he is saying is the current groups are too soft, and have basically bent over and been raped in the bottom. And I think he is correct.

Fanny.

Fair enough, opinion respected, but is cutting all ties with these groups that have so much more to offer in both expertise, experience and knowledge a good move?

Any action needs support from all factors. These groups can provide access to media and people of influence. Is it wise to totally discount this?

I’m not saying do not get stuck in and have a crack, I’m merely saying that to paint all the biker groups with the ‘chicken stick’ can do more damage to the overall campaign.

[nodrog:Me]

Fair enough, opinion respected, but is cutting all ties with these groups that have so much more to offer in both expertise, experience and knowledge a good move?

Any action needs support from all factors. These groups can provide access to media and people of influence. Is it wise to totally discount this?

I’m not saying do not get stuck in and have a crack, I’m merely saying that to paint all the biker groups with the ‘chicken stick’ can do more damage to the overall campaign.

But if you are going to war you dont take the Salvation Army.

Fanny.

[idleidolidyll]

Fatt max;

The point is that none of the existing organizations have succeeded with talk and none of the rides; cheese cutter, Bikoi etc have achieved a thing beyond a few days publicity.

No, this is not a protest to be held under the auspices of any of those organizations and they can continue to talk independently of this initiative. yes, I'm extremely disappointed they have not organized this themselves but given their reluctance; allowing them to have any measure of control would be counterproductive.

The point is to show people, the media, the government, the councils, the road contractors and any other parties that should be listed that we ARE serious and we ARE pissed off and we want CHANGE NOW not a promise of it in 2020.

[idleidolidyll]

Can I do burnouts there?

Because I am not the girl guide type supporter

Fuck the talk, fuck the meetings. Burnouts and Riots.
We no longer ask for change, we demand it.

I view this post as an attempt to ridicule and take the thread off topic. It won't be reported this time but any similar posts will be.

No advocacy of illegality will be posted on this open forum and no suggestion of it will be entertained. If you wish to find and excuse for childish behaviour, this is not the place.

[idleidolidyll]

I think what he is saying is the current groups are too soft, and have basically bent over and been raped in the bottom. And I think he is correct.

Fanny.

Yes, that is the point. The powers that be feel they can manipulate our organizations because they think we can't organize against them and take direct action. This is the opportunity to prove them wrong.

We have a slim chance in the run up to the general election and the time to act is NOW. In a new term we will have already lost and been shelved