So have we all given up on ACC?

[riffer]

I still can't help feeling that was a case of Nick keeping his enemies closer.

Nail, meet hammer.

[mashman]

If everyone stopped paying rego you can gaurantee they won't say "d'oh they outsmarted us". The cops would be out in force stopping bikes and issuing fines.

+1... they didn't listen/care and the alternatives are, erm, well, er, yeah... it matters not who shouted loudest, who gave up, who still rails etc... a stance was organised (muchos grassy arse to those who put themselves forwards, MAG and BRONZ) but the govt made their position utterly clear under our "threat" and they knew full well what the outcome would be... after all we can't protest all day every day as we have families/jobs to look after and have absolutely no power to use for offering alternatives in their eyes... and you can't sell off a single account, I mean open it up to competition. User pays kids, bend over and suck it up.

[oracle]

I would be happy to keep paying the ridiculous prices for rego and such if they stop making it so hard and taking necessary medications and help to people who have been seriously injured and need help

[Katman]

Y'know Steve, in my more cynical moments I've been known to muse about whether or not the complete eradication of ALL motorcycle accidents would make a blind bit of difference to this government's attitudes towards the ACC levy for motorcyclists.

Would be interesting to find out though.

[riffer]

Would be interesting to find out though.

Interesting?

It would be FUCKING AWESOME.

[Fatt Max]

Well me ol mate part of the problem is this, those who tried to represent got vilified for even attempting to do so, by their own kind.
Those who became govt advisors/MSL members got paid and guess what, yep they went quiet, those who did not go quiet were removed.
Many here in KB have had a lot to say, most did nothing,waiting to see who did what.
I'm done.

It was a roller coaster and no mistake. We did give it a go but the steam ran out of it at that time. There are still those who are fighting the fight to some degree and good on them for doing so.

I did expect a bit more from the MSAC, maybe we are still waiting for the 'revised' statistics to come out but they may suffer from the same fairy tales as before.

I believe the notion that no matter what we did, this government would not have budged in the long term. Shame really.

But, a shit load of people did a shit load of work on many different levels to fight this cause so you have to take your hat off to them.

Will the protest movement resurrect itself? Who knows. All I know is that if it does, it will need at its helm a positive and effective 'commander' who can see the big picture, can motivate and, most importantly, communicate with the community. They will need the contacts, the skill and the tenacity to work with all groups and all angles to unite all bikers, no matter what they ride.

Here's hoping, eh

[Eyegasm]

3.5B surplus...

Now I know how they are able to offer me $17K more than the Ministry of Health!!!

[CRF119]

The easy option is just don't pay rego, I wont be its cheaper to get 1 fine per year then pay the reg. If every body stopped paying reg they would quickly get the idea

Ive heard even some officers don't pay reg on their bikes.

[Big Dave]

If everyone stopped paying rego you can gaurantee they won't say "d'oh they outsmarted us".

Won't take long till the numberplate scanning technology is modified to issue the fines automatically too. Our car gets scanned twice a day in Brisbane.

[flyingcrocodile46]

All I know is that if it does, it will need at its helm a positive and effective 'commander' who can see the big picture, can motivate and, most importantly, communicate with the community. They will need the contacts, the skill and the tenacity to work with all groups and all angles to unite all bikers, no matter what they ride.

LMFAO

Fat fucking chance.

Perhaps next time it would help if those who would be united helped in the unity bit, rather than grabbing a corner and pulling in a different direction (like last time?). Damn hard to unite an army when new and different Generals are popping up all over the place.

I dunno if anyone else felt the same way but my enthusiasm evaporated when I saw all the 'unity destroying' grandstanding by self elected champions of the cause, I was disgusted and immediately decided it was a dead duck. IMO the shoulder climbing wannabe's are the ones who killed what was initially (under Bronze & Ulysses) a massive level of support.

So now you know, you can stop laying the blame at the feet of the 'apathetic foot soldiers who fled the cause'. It was clearly a case of too many wannabe heroes destroying the campaign support (by whinging and pulling in differing direction) just so they had shoulders on which to climb to ever more grandiose and inspirational heights.

Dumb fucks destroyed the support and played straight into the governments hands. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Fuck you very much.

Not intended directly as a dig at you Fat Max, you just provided a springboard.

[Fatt Max]

LMFAO

Fat fucking chance.

Perhaps next time it would help if those who would be united helped in the unity bit, rather than grabbing a corner and pulling in a different direction (like last time?). Damn hard to unite an army when new and different Generals are popping up all over the place.

I dunno if anyone else felt the same way but my enthusiasm evaporated when I saw all the 'unity destroying' grandstanding by self elected champions of the cause, I was disgusted and immediately decided it was a dead duck. IMO the shoulder climbing wannabe's are the ones who killed what was initially (under Bronze & Ulysses) a massive level of support.

So now you know, you can stop laying the blame at the feet of the 'apathetic foot soldiers who fled the cause'. It was clearly a case of too many wannabe heroes destroying the campaign support (by whinging and pulling in differing direction) just so they had shoulders on which to climb to ever more grandiose and inspirational heights.

Dumb fucks destroyed the support and played straight into the governments hands. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Fuck you very much.

Not intended directly as a dig at you Fat Max, you just provided a springboard.

No offence taken bruv,

But where the fuck were you when the protest movement needed action and not words

Not intended directly as a dig at you, you just provided a springboard....

[Big Dave]

No offence taken bruv,

But where the fuck were you when the protest movement needed action and not words

He was putting in at the meetings that kicked off the 'Bikeoi'.

[caseye]

The Croc and I rode in company with another brother to the Bikhoi.
So no points scored there FM, however far away from the actuality of what did happen anyone is, they are entitled to their opinion.

[NONONO]

LMFAO

Fat fucking chance.

Perhaps next time it would help if those who would be united helped in the unity bit, rather than grabbing a corner and pulling in a different direction (like last time?). Damn hard to unite an army when new and different Generals are popping up all over the place.

I dunno if anyone else felt the same way but my enthusiasm evaporated when I saw all the 'unity destroying' grandstanding by self elected champions of the cause, I was disgusted and immediately decided it was a dead duck. IMO the shoulder climbing wannabe's are the ones who killed what was initially (under Bronze & Ulysses) a massive level of support.

So now you know, you can stop laying the blame at the feet of the 'apathetic foot soldiers who fled the cause'. It was clearly a case of too many wannabe heroes destroying the campaign support (by whinging and pulling in differing direction) just so they had shoulders on which to climb to ever more grandiose and inspirational heights.

Dumb fucks destroyed the support and played straight into the governments hands. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Fuck you very much.

Not intended directly as a dig at you Fat Max, you just provided a springboard.

Lets have the facts here shall we Mr Fuck You Very Much.
The Bikoi was Nov 1999, MAG NZ launched Oct 2010.
Where was all this "Massive Support" for Bronz and Ulysseys during the intervening year? What was being done and who was doing it?
A group of people, sick of the do nothing attitude decided to have a go. MAG NZ heard all the arguments about splitting the vote, it was a crap argument.
There was no consensus, and no one was doing anything.
Maybe MAG NZ should have taken Big Dave's advice and rolled the BRONZ committee, but it decided not to.
By the way, the Bronz election of committee members meeting held a few weeks before MAG launched had to be cancelled as they could not get a quorum, massive support?
As for Ulysseys, MAG was getting support from some branches, some not, but it was not an issue. I'm not sure they where up to doing much after Bikoi, if they did we did not see it. Massive support?
You guys who opposed the formation of MAG NZ made a good job of nay saying at the time, good on yer, you did well.
If and when MAG NZ has another go they will have learned some hard lessons and will be better equipped, or not.
But here is what MAG NZ argued.
Opposition to the ACC hikes.
Oppositon to the MSL and the formation of the MSLC.
Well done for having a go, see you next time.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Lets have the facts here shall we Mr Fuck You Very Much.
The Bikoi was Nov 1999, MAG NZ launched Oct 2010.
Where was all this "Massive Support" for Bronz and Ulysseys during the intervening year? What was being done and who was doing it?
A group of people, sick of the do nothing attitude decided to have a go. MAG NZ heard all the arguments about splitting the vote, it was a crap argument.
There was no consensus, and no one was doing anything.

Surely you aren't suggesting that the activities of the glory hogs didn't start until mag was formed. Those who formed mag and others had been pulling at the supporters long before mag was formed. They trampled over and largely ignored BRONZ as the natural voice of bikers, choosing instead the melodious sound of their own whiney tones.

Maybe MAG NZ should have taken Big Dave's advice and rolled the BRONZ committee, but it decided not to.

of course, it wasn't as glorious as forming a new club. Far too sensible.

By the way, the Bronz election of committee members meeting held a few weeks before MAG launched had to be cancelled as they could not get a quorum, massive support?

So Bronze had no support for the wellington protest either eh. Most likely the subsequent loss of interest was a result of the non stop whinging by the wannabes which had already killed the movement and demonstrated that true unity was a pipe dream while they were around to destroy it.

Of course those high on their own visions didn't stop to see what was what as they were far too busy to see anything past their visions of what needed to be done. What's even more amazing is that despite an obvious lack of meaningful support they are still trying to live the dream over two years after the movement died. That is how sad these wannabes are.

As for Ulysseys, MAG was getting support from some branches, some not, but it was not an issue. I'm not sure they where up to doing much after Bikoi, if they did we did not see it. Massive support?

See above

You guys who opposed the formation of MAG NZ made a good job of nay saying at the time, good on yer, you did well.
If and when MAG NZ has another go they will have learned some hard lessons and will be better equipped, or not.
But here is what MAG NZ argued.
Opposition to the ACC hikes.
Oppositon to the MSL and the formation of the MSLC.
Well done for having a go, see you next time.

Not interested. Fuck off and stroke your cock yourself.