WRB's now with barbed wire!

[riffer]

And it seems infact the barbed wire has been removed, thanks for your heads up N

Pleased to hear it!

[Drew]

For fuck sakes!, Do none of you cunts ever ride past a farmers fence? Why have you never posted a fuckin thread about it?

The wire barriers are shithouse in the middle of a motorway for sure compared to a concrete barrier, but on the outside edge of the road between live stock or wildlife, it's WAAAAAAAAAAAY less of a hazard than the animals.

Sorry my ginger headed friend, but live with it. It's no different to any other fence round most of rural NZ.

[Drew]

Okay folks.

We at BRONZ have stirred up a wee hornets nest at NZTA over this one.

Here's is NZTA's response:

Hi Simon

As promised, we have followed up on this and our National Manager Traffic and Safety has spoken with the network engineer (who is himself a motorcyclist), and he advises that the two strands of barbed wire were cable tied onto the posts as a means of stopping seals from basking on the warm pavement. The intention clearly being to improve safety.

Be that as it may, the regional safety engineer has requested the barbed wire to be removed immediately. However, there will be a risk of seals basking on the pavement until such time as an additional fence is erected behind the barrier.

Thanks again for bringing this to our attention.

So, end result, NZTA will be putting up a proper fence behind the barrier, and in the meantime the barbed wire is coming down. There is a possibility of seals on the road in the meantime, but hey - up here in the North Island we get stray sheep and we cope.

I hope this helps y'all.

Simon Gotlieb
BRONZ Wellington, BRONZ Federation.

I gather Simon, that you are pretty proud of yourself and B.R.O.NZ for your achievement yeah?

What a fuckin waste of time you and yours are.

Sorry mate, but are you really gonna waste your time writing and bitching about a friggin fences on the OUTSIDE of the road, when your slogan is "Education, not legislation, saves lives"?

Fuck I'm glad the only subs I pay are for competition purposes. MNZ might be pretty useless when it comes to road racing, but at least they just forget about shit and keep doing what they've done. Our rep body for road riding seem to just lack the power of their convictions.

Lets ask JamesDuece if it's cool to let livestock wander round on the road aye?

Piss fuckin poor, I am really friggin angry about the up in arms brigade packin a wobbly about this. There are HEAPS bigger and more important issues that should be addressed first.

What are B.R.O.NZ doing about how stupidly easy it is to attain a full New Zealand motorcycle license Simon? Making sure riders can RIDE will save more lives than everything else you lot are doing COMBINED.

[dangerous]

Sorry my ginger headed friend, but live with it. It's no different to any other fence round most of rural NZ.

heheheheeeeeeeeee... mate, I started the thread as a piss take at the anti WRB gang, kinda back fired on me, but thanks for the post groper or is that snapper or Hokie... ya farking cod

[Drew]

heheheheeeeeeeeee... mate, I started the thread as a piss take at the anti WRB gang, kinda back fired on me, but thanks for the post groper or is that snapper or Hokie... ya farking cod

I wondered at the first what you were thinking about. Then didn't read any sarcasm in it and figured you'd gone all gay on it. I wouldn't have even read the thread if it weren't you that started it.


So yup, I took the bait hook line and sinker.

I submit that the fuckers that got up in arms took it worse, and blew it out of proportion, which is what fucked me off.

[dangerous]

I wondered at the first what you were thinking about. Then didn't read any sarcasm in it and figured you'd gone all gay on it.

what ya mean "gone all gay" Id have a Honda if I could afford it

[Drew]

Id have a Honda if I could afford it

Where have the buckets gone?

[dangerous]

Where have the buckets gone?

fucking kids...

[Drew]

fucking kids...

Oh yip, that'll do it.

[riffer]

I gather Simon, that you are pretty proud of yourself and B.R.O.NZ for your achievement yeah?

What a fuckin waste of time you and yours are.

Sorry mate, but are you really gonna waste your time writing and bitching about a friggin fences on the OUTSIDE of the road, when your slogan is "Education, not legislation, saves lives"?

Fuck I'm glad the only subs I pay are for competition purposes. MNZ might be pretty useless when it comes to road racing, but at least they just forget about shit and keep doing what they've done. Our rep body for road riding seem to just lack the power of their convictions.

Lets ask JamesDuece if it's cool to let livestock wander round on the road aye?

Piss fuckin poor, I am really friggin angry about the up in arms brigade packin a wobbly about this. There are HEAPS bigger and more important issues that should be addressed first.

What are B.R.O.NZ doing about how stupidly easy it is to attain a full New Zealand motorcycle license Simon? Making sure riders can RIDE will save more lives than everything else you lot are doing COMBINED.

In true Mair style - cheers for the feedback mate.

You're right - educating people is what we are trying to do. However, in this regard, BRONZ saw this as an example of where a local body needed to be educated. And I believe we actually did do a service to NZ motorcyclists in this respect. NZTA have acted quickly on this and the word has gone out to ALL roading authorities across NZ that quick fixes like this are no good. You don't like that - too bad - I won't lose sleep over it. It's not a popularity contest. Plenty of people would have bitched if a rider had have come off and slid down a pile of barbed wire.

As for the bigger and more important issues - as usual, work in progress mate. Sometimes the impact of a quick win isn't noticed.

As for what BRONZ are doing about how stupidly easy it is to get a motorcycle license - interesting point. Most feedback I get is that the car licenses are too easy compared to m/c licenses. We've got a number of things in the pipeline at the moment which I won't discuss (mainly because I don't have enough information to open that can of worms) - suffice to say I'm working with some of the old BRONZ to try and bring back some of the stuff that used to happen.

We've tried very hard to promote the stuff Andrew Templeton's been doing - I recall I discussed your attending one of these - and you were going to attend the Upper Hutt one - right up the day before when you decided you'd rather get on the piss and then sleep in - and that's a common attitude in this country. A lot of motorcyclists resent any type of education or any attempt to point out that their riding may not be up to scratch.

And as for wandering stock - there are plenty of laws on this - and to be honest, if they were actually enforced people would be more careful about their stock. But this is a farmer-friendly country and to be quite honest - they don't give a damn about motorcyclists, particularly when all they see is us hooning around on "their" roads. You ride in their hood, you play by their rules.

I'm surprised at your attitude here. You live just down the road from me, you know where I live; you know my number. You have a problem with me talk face-to-face buddy. I can do without a public bitching at.

[Drew]

In true Mair style - cheers for the feedback mate.

You're right - educating people is what we are trying to do. However, in this regard, BRONZ saw this as an example of where a local body needed to be educated. And I believe we actually did do a service to NZ motorcyclists in this respect. NZTA have acted quickly on this and the word has gone out to ALL roading authorities across NZ that quick fixes like this are no good. You don't like that - too bad - I won't lose sleep over it. It's not a popularity contest. Plenty of people would have bitched if a rider had have come off and slid down a pile of barbed wire.

But would those same people have bitched if a rider crashed and cut themselves to ribbons on a stock fence?

As for the bigger and more important issues - as usual, work in progress mate. Sometimes the impact of a quick win isn't noticed.

As for what BRONZ are doing about how stupidly easy it is to get a motorcycle license - interesting point. Most feedback I get is that the car licenses are too easy compared to m/c licenses. We've got a number of things in the pipeline at the moment which I won't discuss (mainly because I don't have enough information to open that can of worms) - suffice to say I'm working with some of the old BRONZ to try and bring back some of the stuff that used to happen.

I can't accept that anyone from your group is trying to make it harder to get a full bike license. Harder is prolly the wrong word, a more detailed and skill specific test is what I would like before bikers are allowed to ride.

We've tried very hard to promote the stuff Andrew Templeton's been doing - I recall I discussed your attending one of these - and you were going to attend the Upper Hutt one - right up the day before when you decided you'd rather get on the piss and then sleep in - and that's a common attitude in this country. A lot of motorcyclists resent any type of education or any attempt to point out that their riding may not be up to scratch.

It was earlier than the day before that I pulled out Simon, and since it was my birthday and people from all over the country came down to celebrate it with me I was not about to tell them all to go to bed early, so I could attend the rider training day.

I was looking forward to the training day, and seeing if there's anything I should be doing differently, but I consider my bike handling skills, and knowledge of the road rules are above average, so it got bumped down the things to do list.

You think there's something about my riding that needs work, more than the people being let loose on the roads on a shiny ninja 250 with a learner license?

And as for wandering stock - there are plenty of laws on this - and to be honest, if they were actually enforced people would be more careful about their stock. But this is a farmer-friendly country and to be quite honest - they don't give a damn about motorcyclists, particularly when all they see is us hooning around on "their" roads. You ride in their hood, you play by their rules.

So what are B.R.O.NZ doing about this?

I'm surprised at your attitude here. You live just down the road from me, you know where I live; you know my number. You have a problem with me talk face-to-face buddy. I can do without a public bitching at.

My delivery could certainly have been better and for that I am sorry.

The gist of what I said I make no apology for, nor the forum in which I delivered it. We can certainly talk about this in person bro, but I think for sure that this shit should be aired infront of as many riders as possible. We are most of us too lazy, and do nothing about our concerns, (me included). People such as you take the responsibility on and get a lot of flack for not keeping everyone happy. Most people such as yourself are aware that you'll get little thanks and do it anyway, but will likely tire of the constant shit slinging and give up eventually.

I would rather not be another reason for that to happen sooner than will benefit the group, but I also think that if you are gonna post up about your victories, I should be allowed to question where the ongoing battles are at.

I've had a lot less to drink today, hope I am less abrasive for it.

[riffer]

All good bro. I'll still drink your beer. And share mine.

You raise some good points, and to be honest, I really wish more people would. As you said most people don't say anything, unless it's to complain.