Has MAG-NZ gone into hibernation?

[kevie]

My impression is they started with a hiss and roar and looked to be a group intent on assisting us bikers to bring a fair deal.... they got the members, set up a website, forums etc

I payed a membership fee to them, registered on the forum on their site .... but whats on the forums???? Its been hijacked by spam, I have on several occasions emailed them in regard to the Moderators failing to clean the forum up and NOTHING ...... no response from them, no cleanup of their site ......... Did I pay dead money to an organization that appears to me that it cant even keep its own nest tidy so makes one wonder how they intend to represent me/us as a biker???
Any MAG administration out there that can answer me?? seems they cant reply discretely by emails so will ask openly and publicly.

Well ... that's my bitch for the day ....... heads off to work as a trucker to annoy motorists>>>>>>

[Berries]

There are no issues any more so no real need for a riders organisation. Besides, MOTONZ have our best interests at heart anyway.

[sil3nt]

you paid money to one of these "organisations"?

Don't we have 3 or 4 groups trying to achieve the same thing?

Seems like everyone wants to be boss. Didn't realise they were taking money off people though

[MSTRS:Me]

Didn't realise they were taking money off people though

Love the subtle irony...

[bogan]

Sorry dude, our really onto it tech guy and leader has got out of bikes, on thus got out of MAG-NZ, which has pretty much been the death knell for us. I had thought there was email forwarding set up, but guess not. We tried to keep it going but with very few active committee members and even few active general members, it really isn't viable imo.

The payment page on our site has been taken down, and paypal closed I'm pretty sure. So it should be difficult for people to throw money at us now.

[Flip]

Mag jumped onto the band wagon and found that the task was going be a lot more difficult and long term than they thought, so after diluting the BRONZ message fucked off and joined up with the other occupy protesters.

[davereid]

Mag jumped onto the band wagon and found that the task was going be a lot more difficult and long term than they thought, so after diluting the BRONZ message fucked off and joined up with the other occupy protesters.

Not really fair.

I know many of the individuals involved with both BRONZ and MAG, and I think its fair to say that everyone was and is still committed to the goal of keeping motorcycling alive and well, regardless of the organisation they stood behind.

I don't actually agree that MAG diluted the message, in fact its my opinion that there is no single message, so there will never be full consensus.

With the massive benefit of hindsight, we can look back at the events around the time of the bikeoi, and possibly say we could have done this better or that better.

But we still did our best.

And many of us are still trying.

[bogan]

Mag jumped onto the band wagon and found that the task was going be a lot more difficult and long term than they thought, so after diluting the BRONZ message fucked off and joined up with the other occupy protesters.

For me, I don't like to blame others from a position of ignorance, not happy with the current representation of the time I was happy to join MAG and get stuck in myself.

We can surely hash over the perceived failings of whatever group we like until the cows come home. But unless it is done with a critical eye for learning from those mistakes for next time there is fuck all point. Blame pointing may make some feel better about their own effort, or lack thereof, but it isn't going to help our situation.

[MSTRS:Me]

For me, I don't like to blame others from a position of ignorance...

Ah, but he does. And that attitude is reasonably typical of most bikers, who want *whatever*, as long as someone else does the doing. Which is why MagNZ has faded away. A few enthusiastic people will get something started, and then be stymied at every turn. And no wonder - who has the time to devote to an unpaid position that 'no-one else' is willing to support, or even actively undermines?

[Maha]

Not really fair.

I know many of the individuals involved with both BRONZ and MAG, and I think its fair to say that everyone was and is still committed to the goal of keeping motorcycling alive and well, regardless of the organisation they stood behind.

I don't actually agree that MAG diluted the message, in fact its my opinion that there is no single message, so there will never be full consensus.

With the massive benefit of hindsight, we can look back at the events around the time of the bikeoi, and possibly say we could have done this better or that better.

But we still did our best.

And many of us are still trying.

He's partly right though..
As time lingered on (and we got over the football talk) it transpired that not all MAG members had the same vision of where they wanted it to go.

We all thought we did at the start, but, that wasn't to be the case.
The 'A' stood for action and that was clearly (towards the end, this time last year when alot started to bail) not on the agenda.

[GrayWolf]

I joined MAG (UK) in the 70's.. even over there there were several 'upheavals' in National and local branch levels... It was the leg protectors I'd guess that really got MAG firing on all cylinders, then they went on to organise some huge rallies, I think there were 25,000 bikes at Hyde park, and they had the Magna Carta rally and ride going the same weekend.... sadly NZ do not have the numbers to get that level of numbers involved.

[oldrider]

Representing and organising motorcyclists is probably 50 times harder than herding cats and gathers about 50 times less thanks than the Arabs have given to America!

[FJRider]

.... sadly NZ do not have the numbers to get that level of numbers involved.

And ... those numbers being split, due to New Zealand consisting of two main islands ...

A matter of logistics ...

[kevie]

I joined MAG (UK) in the 70's.. even over there there were several 'upheavals' in National and local branch levels... It was the leg protectors I'd guess that really got MAG firing on all cylinders, then they went on to organise some huge rallies, I think there were 25,000 bikes at Hyde park, and they had the Magna Carta rally and ride going the same weekend.... sadly NZ do not have the numbers to get that level of numbers involved.

I think the BIKEOI proved we can rally the numbers ........ and there's a lot of bikers wanting change but sadly, typical of NZ culture, many many people complain about how things are but very few of them want to bring change.

MAG-NZ was a great concept, started well which is why I was willing to pay a membership fee, I also attended the meetings and volunteered my time to assist with the Manawatu committee..... but as mentioned, unfortunately a couple of the key people they needed on the National level weren't in for the long haul.

I see a mention that in the early stages the UK counterpart also had its share of 'failures' .... maybe if the management of MAG keep the communication channels open, let the members know what support they need and talents are required then it may be able to be the force that was originally envisioned.

Its very easy to blame others ..... but while you point the finger ...... what did YOU do to assist MAG and the other action groups from being a success????
I think the blame (if you really have to blame someone) shouldnt just be pointed at the supposed "management that you might have considered to have failed" but also the individuals that could have, and maybe should have been supporting them!!!

Anyway .... my original purpose of this thread was re the forum being hijacked by dumbass spammers ...... im soooooooooooo tempted to get their email and register it with every porn site on the net I can find LMAO

I still support the MAG concept, Mag the organization, and think while its suffered a minor setback ...... it could ....and should ..... grab its shoelaces and pull itself back up again

Don't give up on MAG ........ sit down with the key positive and the constructive people and re-look at where things went wrong, what can be done to rekindle the vision and go for it again.

[GrayWolf]

I think the BIKEOI proved we can rally the numbers ........ and there's a lot of bikers wanting change but sadly, typical of NZ culture, many many people complain about how things are but very few of them want to bring change.

MAG-NZ was a great concept, started well which is why I was willing to pay a membership fee, I also attended the meetings and volunteered my time to assist with the Manawatu committee..... but as mentioned, unfortunately a couple of the key people they needed on the National level weren't in for the long haul.

I see a mention that in the early stages the UK counterpart also had its share of 'failures' .... maybe if the management of MAG keep the communication channels open, let the members know what support they need and talents are required then it may be able to be the force that was originally envisioned.

Its very easy to blame others ..... but while you point the finger ...... what did YOU do to assist MAG and the other action groups from being a success????
I think the blame (if you really have to blame someone) shouldnt just be pointed at the supposed "management that you might have considered to have failed" but also the individuals that could have, and maybe should have been supporting them!!!

Anyway .... my original purpose of this thread was re the forum being hijacked by dumbass spammers ...... im soooooooooooo tempted to get their email and register it with every porn site on the net I can find LMAO

I still support the MAG concept, Mag the organization, and think while its suffered a minor setback ...... it could ....and should ..... grab its shoelaces and pull itself back up again

Don't give up on MAG ........ sit down with the key positive and the constructive people and re-look at where things went wrong, what can be done to rekindle the vision and go for it again.

I actually cant see ANY reference to blame being pointed in my post, my comment was there were upheavals, with no reason or accusation being made or given. What did I do? I was a member as pointed out, on the Magna Carta run and protest in Hyde park I spent the whole day from 6am till almost midnight acting as a marshall and 'security' on the rally site. As well as a reglar at the local branch level. MAG UK had similar results to the Bikoi here in many instances, they organised anti crash helmet rides etc but the needed kick up the ass was the leg protectors for ALL levels of motorcyclist in the UK.. All the various pressure groups including FEMA became involved.
I'd agree abuot it pickiong up it's shoelaces and trying again. I'll also admit to being a slack bastard and not even being a current member of Bronz... Guess I have 'old farts' disease (been there done that)...so I'll make the effort to re join Bronz!