A clean get away

[spudchucka]

On a bike I have never stopped for them and I never will.
NZ is turning into a police state.

You make me want to spew!!!!



With an attitude like that you might just grow up to be the next biker that vaporises himself and takes out an innocent party with him, ala Whangarei.

Wise up man!! No matter what you think of Govt rule & regs or the establishment in general, some things are just plain stupid. No matter how cool you think you are or how flash a rider you may be, if you run from the police at high speed you are just plain dumb!!

How would you like to be the young fella in Auck facing 3 x manslaughter charges. You will probably say that it is the fault of the police that those people died but anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that he made the decision to run and is ultimately responsible for the carnage.

[Sycophant]

For example, me alone on the motorway at approx 10pm at 122kph = $170 fine and 30 (i think) demerits. Cop was hiding on an on-ramp which is why i didn't see him.

Speed limits exist for a reason. They are generally considered to be the best speed for the majority of drivers in the majority of conditions. Sometimes it's probably safe to go faster, sometimes, slower might be a good idea.

The fact that the cop was not visible doesn't change the fact you were not adhering to the rules which you agreed to abide. You know the speed limit, and you can break it, but you know the consequences, you can't complain that it's unfair because someone was hiding.

On a bike I have never stopped for them and I never will.
NZ is turning into a police state.

I agree with Spud on this one - that is moronic. You basically become a missile just waiting for some unsuspecting driver to get in your way. You know how drivers often don't see motorbikes? I bet that applies double when they are doing 120 in a 50 zone, or whatever speed you'd be going to get away.

[Marmoot]

Erm, yeah. Good one.

While I (strongly) do not agree with the government (LTSA) view on speed and their overzealous enforcement (it does seem to have 'money and numbers' motivation behind it), I do admit there is a big problem with NZ roads and driving ability in general.

Speed limit is there to cater for the lowest common denominator (yeah, like it or not....) and therefore it needs to try to safe that stupid asian lady driving a 81 mazda in case she talks to her cell phone too much and hit an oncoming car.

So, heck, what can we say? Nothing, I guess......Complaining about this is starting to feel like talking to a wall to me........

[Racer X]

.... No matter how cool you think you are or how flash a rider you may be, if you run from the police at high speed you are just plain dumb!!
....

Actually if you run from the police at LOW speed you are just plain dumb.

On a bike I have never stopped and I never will

This may have sounded worse than it really is - I'm not really that much of a reckless rider and would probably stop if it was in town or could endanger people other than me. Just like most people on this forum, I have run only a few times - when the stakes were pretty high - like jail.

I'm not gonna argue with you (spud & sychophant) - youre probably the kind of people who think speed cameras actually save lives

[Sycophant]

youre probably the kind of people who think speed cameras actually save lives

They probably have on occasion. Though I doubt it's the general rule - that said, I wouldn't complain if I got a ticket. Like I said, I know the rules, and will (and do) accept the penalty if I break them.

Speed limits are a tricky thing, you might well be able to cope with a higher rate of speed than some people, but we can't have everyone allowed to drive as fast as they think they can, because, as is often proved, a lot of them can't actually drive as fast as they think they can. They end up killing themselves and other people. Regardless of what you might think, the LTSA is right, speed does kill.

Anyway, I am off. Merry Christmas!

[spudchucka]

All thats required is a little common sense. People who think its their god given right to travel at whatever speed they like on whatever road they feel like are just a public menace, pure and simple.

If you want to open your bike up then do it at a track day or at least try and be discrete about it. If you speed on motorways or in heavily populated areas expect to get caught and don't moan about it, because you knew the risks beforehand. Everyone knows these places are havily policed.

As far as speed cameras go, I have no sympathy for anyone getting caught by these things. They are so easily spotted if you get caught by one you are obviously driving / riding in a daze.

Merry Christmas.

[sAsLEX]

Speed cameras in general piss me off

came down from auckland on tues to New Plymouth, only speed camera i saw was on the bypass from Otrohonga to Ngrawahia (excuse spelling). He/she was on the the only straight strech of road for about 45 mins, the straight just south of Ngrawahia, just sitting in some bushes at the end of the straight trying to catch those who creep over the limit while passing on a road that has no formed passing lanes and which trucks frequent going 90+ making a sub 100 pass impossible!

Aren't trucks meant to be restricted to 80?? I have yet to see one of them pulled over even though speed all the time!!

[Firefight]

Speed cameras in general piss me off



Aren't trucks meant to be restricted to 80?? I have yet to see one of them pulled over even though speed all the time!!

Truck & Draw bar trailer 80kms on open road

Artic Unit 90kms on open road

Not sure of the policy HP use, but CVIU cop told me as long as it's not more than 110kms, he won't pull a truck over for speeding, in open road enviroment.


firefight.

[James Deuce]

Truck & Draw bar trailer 80kms on open road

Artic Unit 90kms on open road

Not sure of the policy HP use, but CVIU cop told me as long as it's not more than 110kms, he won't pull a truck over for speeding, in open road enviroment.


firefight.

Can kind of understand why. Truckies are professional drivers and they typically have millions of kilometres between even minor accidents.

A lot of car drivers on the other hand spend the majority of their time (me included) in commuter traffic and often misinterpret open road conditions.

Bikers tend to be average or slightly above average when in control of a vehicle because riding a bike teaches some survival skills that most car drivers never consider, as well as better mechanical sympathy and vehicle operator skills.

Jim2

[Marmoot]

Why the heck don't they differentiate the speed for different lanes in passing lanes? Like 100kph for left lane and 120 for right, or 80 vs 100? That would make passing a lot easier and safer!!!!

(I am one of those caught passing simply coz the car I was passing decided to speed up alongside me)

[sAsLEX]

you have just described one of the more dangerous creatures on the road. They travel at between 60 and 80 on roads that are impossible to pass on, then as soon as the road straightens or a passing lane opens they speed up

these are the sort of people the cops should be targeting as they cause more dangerous incidents on the road than those who creep over the speed limit

[wkid_one]

Can kind of understand why. Truckies are professional drivers and they typically have millions of kilometres between even minor accidents.

Disagree - how many roll overs have occurred recently. Truck limits are there given the weights (44 Tonne) that they can the the propensity for the vehicle to jackknife.

On the basis of that argument we should all get to go quicker the longer we have driven for????

The truck drivers have a speed limit and should be policed the same as everyone else especially given the potential damage their vehicles can do IF involved in an accident.

What you do forget to cover tho is the police now have mobile mechanics that COF trucks on the side of the road (regardless of when the last COF was done) and will sticker them off the road. Also - they are checked to make sure that they are not over tare weight and that the driver hasn't been driving too long.

None of this happens to car drivers tho?

[SPman]

Can kind of understand why. Truckies are professional drivers and they typically have millions of kilometres between even minor accidents.

Jim2

Professional! Maybe 1 in 10! Travelling between New Plymouth and Auckland a lot, a few yrs ago, and the 4 fatals I saw all involved truck/trailer/artics and cars, including 1 with mother and kids under the trailer and burning! Not Nice. Had a T&T pull over breifly just after the tunnel in the Awakino gorge (13 vehicles behind at that time) let 1 pass then pull straight back onto the road nearly wiping the 2nd car alongside him into the far side ditch! T&T's at 130 k on the only bits of road were its possible to pass - fuck the queues of traffic behind! I found the behaviour of most truck drivers no better than most car drivers - except they had 42 tonnes to cause havoc with, not 2! Corteous, considerate, professional behaviour by truck drivers, is as big a myth generally, as a clean green NZ!
Oops

[What?]

Disagree - how many roll overs have occurred recently. Truck limits are there given the weights (44 Tonne) that they can the the propensity for the vehicle to jackknife.

On the basis of that argument we should all get to go quicker the longer we have driven for????

The truck drivers have a speed limit and should be policed the same as everyone else especially given the potential damage their vehicles can do IF involved in an accident.

What you do forget to cover tho is the police now have mobile mechanics that COF trucks on the side of the road (regardless of when the last COF was done) and will sticker them off the road. Also - they are checked to make sure that they are not over tare weight and that the driver hasn't been driving too long.

None of this happens to car drivers tho?

Dan, you are right and wrong in the same breath.
You have to look at truck incidents versus mileage travelled and compare to same for cars. Sure, there have been a few trucks roll lateley, but in proportion to the number on the roads and the distances travelled, those incidents fade a little in their significance.
The cops do not issue C's OF. They do inspections, and can issue unroadworthy stickers. They are also doing this to cars. Well, OK, boy-racer cars. And they check Gross weight.

And you are right - we could not possibly have a system where more experienced drivers are allowed to travel faster than others. Except when you are talking about bikes, when we have exactly that: learners are restricted to a lower speed than other highway users.

Aaaah, fuggit. Merry christmas.

[James Deuce]

Thanks What? That's what I meant

Jim2