That sounds like the comment of someone who has experienced the feral cops in Northland.
I saw 4 revenue men between Moerewa and Kaio on one trip.
Lou
Immature and proud of it.
That sounds like the comment of someone who has experienced the feral cops in Northland.
I saw 4 revenue men between Moerewa and Kaio on one trip.
Lou
Salted Pork
You have obviously had a big feed of sour grapes recently. Get over it!Originally Posted by BlueR1
Salted Pork
I know some people have gotten pissed off over some of my comments in this thread, bottom line is I don't give a stuff. I get sick to death of some attitudes in this country and the national obsession of whinging about police is one of the most tiresome. Heres something I read recently on another forum. Think about it next time you want to have a whine about the cops.
THE GREAT POLICE OFFICER
Well, Mr. Citizen, it seems you've figured me out. I seem to fit neatly into the category where you've placed me.
I'm stereotyped, standardized, characterized, classified, grouped, and always typical. Unfortunately, the reverse is true . . . I can never figure you out.
From birth you teach your children that I'm the bogeyman, then you're shocked when they identify with my traditional enemy . . . the criminal!
You accuse me of coddling criminals . . . until I catch your kids doing wrong.
You may take an hour for lunch and several coffee breaks each day, but point me out as a loafer for having one cup. You pride yourself on your manners, but think nothing of disrupting my meals with your troubles.
You raise hell with the guy who cuts you off in traffic, but let me catch you doing the same thing and I'm picking on you. You know all the traffic laws . . . but you've never gotten a single ticket you deserve.
You shout "foul" if you observe me driving fast to a call, but raise the roof if I take more than ten seconds to respond to your complaint.
You call it part of my job if someone strikes me, but call it police brutality if I strike back. You wouldn't think of telling your dentist how to pull a tooth or your doctor how to take out an appendix, yet your always willing give me pointers on the law.
You talk to me in a manner that would get you a bloody nose from anyone else, but expect me to take it without batting an eye.
You yell something's got to be done to fight crime, but you can't be bothered to get involved.
You have no use for me at all, but of course it's OK if I change a flat for your wife, deliver your child in the back of the patrol car, or perhaps save your son's life with mouth to mouth breathing, or work many hours overtime looking for your lost daughter.
So, Mr. Citizen, you can stand there on your soapbox and rant and rave about the way I do my work, calling me every name in the book, but never stop to think that your property, family, or maybe even your life depends on me or one of my buddies.
Yes, Mr. Citizen, it's me . . . the lousy cop!
L-Plate Rider
Spudchucka wrong actually, I have never had a speeding ticket in my life, mainly because I dont make a habit of speeding in places where the cops sit, and why dont they sit there? because they wouldnt make enough revenue on the back roads, they prefer to hide where they can rob as much money off the public as possible, secondly the only time where I have been unlucky enuff to get zapped ive run, holden versus R1 ...... Game overYou have obviously had a big feed of sour grapes recently. Get over it!
L-Plate Rider
Yeah Kerikeri is full of them, I guess most of them are just doing their jobs, but you always get the odd one who is on a power trip and thinks he is telling off a naughty school kid, the annoying part is I know someone who has had their house broken in only to have a cop turn up 3 days later when they are all down the road sitting along passing lanes!!!!!!! I think the police need to get traffic offences into perspective, then again i guess you dont get $200 6 times an hour for attending break ins, its far less profitable.
Weekend cruiser
Yeah, nobody will ever convince the other they are wrong! You do your job because you believe in what you do. We see the effects of Govt policy & easy revenue. I preferred the old system of Traffic Cops & Police. (At that time I never had a gripe with the Police, never thought anything of overtaking them with their blues flashing going somewhere either. But I never ever passed a black & white).
I believe its in the Govt interests to keep not-so-serious (attending mums & dads burglaries etc) crime figures up a bit. Makes for something to have election campaigns on, year after year after year.... And in the Police Dept interests too, so as to have reasons to get the same or increased budgets from treasury.
But what I don't understand is the apparent willingness of Mr Plod to play along with this zero tolerance speed thing! What are your incentives to go out and have all these "contacts per hour". Are you on a monetary Bonus, or the reverse, you will find your career progression hampered? Or do all the front liners truly believe what they do is right (I don't think so). If the majority of you ignored your superiors, what are they going to do, Sack You!
like anything, a mass revolt, or lack commitment to this current policy from the guys on the ground would see it fade away. If Police are serious about reducing or preventing crime, it can be done by the people on the floor. Concentrate on the serious speeders or slowsters, or traffic violators. This would free up more time for other types of crime reduction, or public interaction like walking around communities getting to know the people who live in them (helps get their buy-in & break down the barriers).
So.. I don't see hiding behind, "We only do what the government told us to do" is a valid reason for persecuting mild speeders. Just because people belong to a big organisation doesn't mean they are exempt from the ability to think. (whether we like it or not, speeding citizens is a BIG revenue earner for the Govt).
(and Yes I do speed, and I don't think that, just because I own a motorbike or a fast car I should have the right too I just do it knowing I am doing wrong. I always felt, fair cop, when caught. But what I see now is that the very people who used to harp on about the way I drive are clocking up the tickets faster than me. And oh how they squeal!, when they get done for 61 in 50km zone etc. They are the Mums and Dad's & Grandparents of this country. I know very few people who haven't been done speeding in the last 3-5yrs (maybe that's just because I live in Auckland))
I don't see the Govt bringing in Policing policy's aimed at reducing focus on homicide solving or P, cracking so they can have a zero tolerance policy on shop lifting.
No I don't know what its like to do your job, I am sure a lot of the time its shit But I didn't choose to be a cop, I could have.
As for you, Enjoy yourself and Just get back to what you came here for, talking motorbikes and meeting up with people to go on rides with. Accept that we are a bunch of f*****g moaners that don't like people popping our balloon, SPEED.
Don't feel you have to defend the Police to everyone who makes a remark about them, we all will.
Chill out like Marty.
Salted Pork
XRNR
I'm not necessarily supporting the so called "policy" of zero tolerance to speed. I firmly believe that the interpretation of speed that is considered to be dangerous should be up to individual officers on patrol. They are the ones on the spot that can take in all of the factors. A zero tolerance policy takes away any officer discretion, which in my opinion a negative thing.
What pisses me off when I read threads like this one is the mindless attitudes and belief that cops simply gather revinue for the Govt, don't give a stuff about "real crime" and blah blah blah about the same old worn out crap arguements that the cops only care about getting their "quota" in order to secure their Xmas bonus or whatever.
It really is pathetic.
I'm happy to discuss bikes and I thought thats what this forum was about. However since I've been visiting here there have been more threads about doing the runner, the benefits of radar detectors, all cops are arseholes etc etc etc than interesting disscussion re motorcycles.
End of rant!
Whorem Fore
This looks awfully familiar to a post I did ('Suggestion') with exactly the same result
I must still concur with Spud in that every thread posted here seems to turn in to a moan about cops/the establishment etc.....justifed, but illdirected.
At the end of the day - the police a playing to the whistle. Half my old college friends are now(of varying roles) - and the job isn't that easy. It is funny how well received a Police person is when you are in trouble - yet when you have done something wrong they are the worst kind of human.
Having been out on plenty of patrols - you get to see this is person - how quick you can go from Saviour toand back again depending on the nature of the call.
You will find most of the police force love their job (and not for the power tripping reasons you think)........those on the coal face don't set the 'zero tolerance' mandates or the quotas etc - but they sure as hell have to perform to them.
Remember - You CHOOSE to speed......it isn't a right. We all know what the limit is (yes yes, it may be too low for a m'bike).
Spare a thought for the, Fireman and
Don't whinge about the cops - whinge about those who set the rules - and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Try writing a letter (like Lou G), petition your MP etc.....
There are 600 members on here now - that is one hell of a petition if people on here acted.
As too the threads about running, speeding and radar detectors - THAT IS MOTORCYCLING. That is what bikes are about. Avoiding speeding tickets, pulling monos at 150kph....this is general motorcycle talk. Whilst I will agree with Spud re the cops - I won't about the topics of the threads.
Now
L-Plate Rider
Well put Wkid one ........... especially the last paragraph hahaha
Immature and proud of it.
Sorry spudchucker, the Police have earned all the vilification they get. It hasn't always been this way, these posts are a small part of a general disatisfaction with our Police force. Every Police force that has put revenue before service to the public has found the same loss of public respect.
Lou
Whorem Fore
Yes - Lou but I think Spud's point is that this isn't the individual Police Officers fault - they have little say in the focus/direction/strategy and ethos of the company - merely are there as means to the ends. (IF THIS ISN'T SPUDS INTENTION - DISREGARD THE REMAINDER OF THIS POST
The Police, much like any other (quasi) government agency is a political tool as much as a social one. Their directives are the creation of not just police management, but social policy and government as a whole.
To vilify the officer for 'doing his job' - is shooting the messenger. How many of us do things in our jobs because it is required of us - yet if we had a choice - wouldn't do them?
I have had a number of tickets in recent times - and have NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS to say about the police officers who issued them.......but as to the strategy that is set of them I have evil thoughts.
Yes - I have arguments with trying to run social services at a profit. In my mind social services should be attempted to be run efficiently - but not at a profit - this isn't what they are there to do. Look at the health sector for example. As for the Police Officer - if you had your boss, and his boss and his boss' boss breathing down your neck saying shape up or ship out.....many would do the same thing. :sly:
Just remember - the police officer is JUST DOING THE JOB S/HE IS PAID TO DO.....they don't determine the revenue and budgetary targets, they don't set the road toll goals, they don't set the long term strategy.....they are only trying to put food on the table for their family.
I whole-heartedly agree with the comments on the board - other than the fact we sometimes aim them at the officers and not the system as a whole
Salted Pork
Thats pretty much it other than the general anti police vibe that exists in these threads, it just generally pisses me off.Yes - Lou but I think Spud's point is that this isn't the individual Police Officers fault - they have little say in the focus/direction/strategy and ethos of the company - merely are there as means to the ends. (IF THIS ISN'T SPUDS INTENTION - DISREGARD THE REMAINDER OF THIS POST
The reason being that so often the people slagging off at the coppers have no real understanding of what the truth actually is regarding operational policy or day to day policing. Peoples opinions are often based on the BS urban legends relating to police and the law and seldom on actual experience. I'm not saying thats the case with anyone here because I've no idea what anyone's experience is. Everyone has an opinion be it negative or positive and they are of course entitled to their opinion. But seldom have I ever met anyone who can face to face justify their shitty attitude by their own experience. Its usually because a mate of a mate or dear old Uncle Fred had some experience with a cop who was a real dickhead.
Either that or people just direct their anger at the cops when in reality they are just enforcing the laws passed in parliament. This is a short sighted, narrow minded attitude that achieves nothing.
Admitedly there are cops who are power hungry, ignorant, arogant and just plain arseholes. If you come across one like that complain to the district commander, what good does it do to bleat on about it on a bloddy internet forum??
If people are really so angry about the way NZ is policed why aren't they marching on parliament demanding change??
Because its easier to just whinge about it and point the finger of blame at someone else!
Forum whore
I have a friend who is a Police Inspector, a REALLY nice guy, and he gets just as mad, if not more so about zero tolerance for issues that generally affect otherwise law-abiding citizens. He is vocal within the organisation as well, so he tends to get posted to places like the Solomons.
Yes the Police could mount a low level internal rebbelion. But like the rest of us they have bills/kids/mortgages. Bit hard to pay for those things when you have no job, or are suspended without pay. They are people too. They don't like rude people. The reverse is true too. I am a person and I don't like rude cops. Like the one that pulled me up on Christmas day. The problem is there are a myriad of cultural and political messages in a cop being rude to a "normal" citizen. Some Highway Patrol guys would do well to learn that.
In regard to confidence in the Police I have none. I've been burgled three times and the earliest Police have turned up to one was 4 days after the event. Each time you are asked not to touch the crime scene, but if it's going to be 4 days of leaving broken doors, locks , and windows and trying to exist in the mess that most burglars create well I'm just not gonna. I've also had three injury accidents and despite being called the police didn't turn up to any. Which created a problem for the Ambulance officers when the truck driver who hit me (didn't see me) claimed there was nothing wrong with me (broken wrist and concussion) as he was on probabtion and would lose his job. He started to intervene when they tried to load me into the Ambulance.
If your experience of an organisation is largely negative or unhelpful then that tends to affect how you interact with their staff members or how much respect you accord that organisation. It's all very well to defend the Police organisation in general and make claims about the attitudes of the individuals that make up that organisation being largely positive, but when they fail to help the people they are paid to protect on a regular basis and fail to render assistance when requested you have to wonder.
Even after that I think we would all do well to remember that a cop is a person first and a little courtesy can go a long way with anyone.
Whorem Fore
Wow - something is really wrong with me....not only did I get the gist of Spud's thread - Jim2 mirrored my sentiments.
Now if you all excuse me - I am going to find a quiet room somewhere and practise my writing of controversial posts - I seem to be out of touch
Dan
Kiwi back at home!
Just a point I think that needs clarifying. The cops/government can be arseholes and the following two cases shoud illustrate this point, but in general I agree with Wikd_one/spudchucka and the point of the messanger.
Case 1: A young male, 20 full license driving on farms since age 5, had his car impounded as while doing a U-turn in wet conditions his inside wheel momentarily lost traction. The cops using the new boy racer law then impounded the car due to his previous infringements.
The following day his mother answers the door to see the same cop, he had come to say that it was a mistake for him to issue the ticket, and that the car could be picked up from the impound yard on monday.
Well the impound yard knew nothing of this, and after much running around they eventually got the car after having to pay the impound fees.
Why did he have to pay?? the cop admitted he was in the wrong he still had to pay and was without a car for a weekend.
Case 2: Another young male, 24 full license, was charged with something under the new boy racer law, he thought it was dubious so went through the process and got the charges dissmissed. This would have been ok but in the process he was given demerit points, enough to cause him to lose his license.
Now after the charge was thrown out he thought he would get his demerit points back, since they were given for a offence that he was no longer being charged for, he was in all accounts innocent, but the demerit points remained
He then had to get a temp license for work purposes at roughly $1000, and since this is peak contracting season he did not have the time to contest the demerit points, his father then rang the regional commander who instructed him to ring LTSA, who in all their brillance could only tell him to " check the road code" and when questioned further hung up on him.
How can the police do this?? having to pay for something that you did not do , or being punished for a crime you did not commit??? You have to wonder why people are starting to run
Can someone clarify what the law is regarding getting Demerit points returned after the ticket that contained them is dissmissed??
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