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    SMIDSYs - mostly avoidable, or a real risk?

    I was thinking about the whole SMIDSY debate, and I reckon they are almost entirely avoidable. I reckon the secret comes down to recognising 3 things:

    1. Cars don't spontaneously turn or pull out. I have owned a hell of cars over the years, and none of them have ever spontaneously done anything - not turn, pull out or even burst into song. The only reason cars turn is because the driver wants to do some pretty specific things - go down a side street, change direction, grab a parking place, start a journey or finish a journey. Most or all of these actions have other actions leading up to them and can be pretty well predicted. A car that is slowing down or is stationary on the centre line across from a driveway or road is very likely to turn down said road, just as a car sitting at an intersection is almost certainly going to pull out and odds are good that a car on the side of the road with someone in the drivers seat and the engine running with the front wheels turned is probably going to pull out or do a U turn.

    2. Car drivers are people and people hate confrontation. I have heard many a biker pronounce that they treat every other road user as a homicidal maniac with a hatred of motorcycles, but that's bollocks because if it were the case NOTHING you could do would keep you safe. I am convinced that car drivers really don't want to hit you because (a) you may get grumpy with them, (b) it will damage their car, (c) they could get into trouble with the Constables or (d) they could hurt you. If a car driver sees you coming towards them when they're planning to do something that could lead to a SMIDSY, then they will wait for you to go past before they do their thing.

    3. Car drivers are easily distracted and have limited visibility. Because most cars have a stereo to listen to and controls to fiddle with, passengers to chat to and because car drivers like to eat tasty food and drink refreshing beverages on the road, they are often distracted so aren't paying attention like they should. Add to that blind spots (and I reckon NOBODY uses wing mirrors) and when it's cold or wet, fogged up windows; and the poor buggers are pretty well flying blind.

    So the secret to dodging SMIDSYs is to recognise the things that indicate a car is about to change direction. Then it's a matter of making sure that the poor bugger behind the wheel sees you before he has to suffer the indignity of driving a Toyota Starlet with "Bobs Panelbeaters Loan Car" on the side. Personally I have a few strategies:

    I try not to travel in groups of cars. If someone has been waiting to pull out, and they see a gap between 2 cars, they may decide to quickly whip between them before the discover that I was that gap. I also figure that if I am on my own a hundred metres in front of the traffic I am more likely to be noticed than if I had a cluttered background of cars and shit to distract the car driver.

    If I see a car that is waiting at an intersection/at the centreline I ride straight at them. That means I swing across the lane and for a second or so I make sure that I am pointing directly at them because their survival mechanism cuts in "Oh crap, that bike is going to hit me... oh no, he's not". They have seen me because for a fraction of a second I was a potential threat so I took precedence over what the funny bastards on the radio were saying.

    I change speed and move around in my lane because if I am moving relative to my surroundings I am more likely to be seen in the same way that a soldier will tell you that if they run straight at their enemy they are less likely to be seen than if they do the Hollywood thing and run from side to side. Plus it makes them think "WTF is he up to?" which is better than them thinking "hmmm, that is some tasty pie, I think I'll just pull out now"

    And always have an escape route for when none of the above work.

    Just my 2c worth.
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    SMIDSYs - mostly avoidable, or a real risk? - Both I reckon. Quite often you hear people say of accidents they were unavoidable or there was no where left to go. You make good points about making yourself visible, also a bit of forethought and planning can help to give you somewhere to go if someone makes a dumb move into your path.

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    SMIDSYs - a real risk that is 99.9% avoidable

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    You missed option 4.

    The driver "looks" but doesn't see the bike and pulls out / whammo.

    In this one the driver is looking for cars / buses and their brain doesn't register the bike because it isn't looking for one. The other is the casual look / not look properly where a quick casual glance isn't enough to see the bike in a blended background or register a moving object; and again their brain again doesn't "see" the bike.

    You will have seen copious threads saying they saw the driver "looking" but still pulled straight out in front of them.
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    Ride on the road like no-one can see you and everyone is out to hit you. Good chance of survival then.
    The other thing is,...never assume. Assume they won't pull out, assume they can see me,....
    That way I also believe SMIDSY is avoidable.


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    Most of my motorcycle accidents could have been prevented if I had taken the car. I use my bike for commuting a lot in Auckland....but its far more relaxing when driving my very large Yellow ex Courier VW van ....in fact I could not care less if some knob in his automatic Japanese shoebox wants to do a u turn in front of me or comes out of a side street without even slowing down or cutting me up on the motorway.

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    I would hate to think we don't contribute to the results of SMIDSY's but I'm not sure anything can be done about the SMIDSY itself.

    Oddly my worst two SMIDSY's have been while stationary + it wouldn't have mattered if I was on two or in four wheels, so I'm not sure they count.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paturoa View Post

    You will have seen copious threads saying they saw the driver "looking" but still pulled straight out in front of them.
    That is when it is up to the rider to figure out whether they were just 'looked at' or whether they were 'seen'.

    There is an intersection at the end of the road my workshop is on that I have people failing to give way to me with monotonous regularity.

    It's not hard to figure out when you haven't been 'seen'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paturoa View Post
    You missed option 4.

    The driver "looks" but doesn't see the bike and pulls out / whammo.

    In this one the driver is looking for cars / buses and their brain doesn't register the bike because it isn't looking for one.
    That's a pretty common argument, but I don't think people look for any particular type of vehicle - I don't. There are enough bikes and cyclists on the road for people to be sufficiently familiar to recognise them as being a hazard.



    The other is the casual look / not look properly where a quick casual glance isn't enough to see the bike in a blended background or register a moving object; and again their brain again doesn't "see" the bike.
    Precisely, that's why I do weird and unpredictable shit like move across my lane and head for the car, or why I try and avoid having a blended background by getting well ahead of the pack. If you have ever been hunting you will know you can be literally metres from an animal and not see it, but the moment it moves you see it instantly. The secret is to move relative to your background.

    You will have seen copious threads saying they saw the driver "looking" but still pulled straight out in front of them
    And that's probably why I put this thread up. I have been riding for all up around 20 years now if you take the years I didn't have a bike out of the equation, probably a total of 200,000 kms. I ride a hell of a lot in traffic - last year I did under 2000 kms in my car and just over 11000 kms on my bike, with most of them being in traffic. I would have probably one, maybe two instances a year when there is a near SMIDSY to the point where I need to brake hard or head for cover, and the last one was my fault because I was sitting in their blind spot. In fact I have never had an off that wasn't completely my own stupid fault (and I have had a few, believe me), so what's the difference between me and the poor buggers who suffer SMIDSYs? Looks? I'm pretty fucking ugly, but in my helmet nobody can tell. Luck? Then how come the biggest Lotto prize i have ever had was $20.00? Riding skill? I'm a very average rider and have been overtaken by postie bikes and I still talk about the time I actually pulled a wheelie. Visibility? I wear a black helmet, have a black bike and black gear.

    Or could it be a few tricks I've figured out along the way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    That is when it is up to the rider to figure out whether they were just 'looked at' or whether they were 'seen'.

    There is an intersection at the end of the road my workshop is on that I have people failing to give way to me with monotonous regularity.

    It's not hard to figure out when you haven't been 'seen'.
    And i'd add to that: It's up to the rider to make sure that they're seen, or at least do whatever they can to be seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrub View Post
    That's a pretty common argument, but I don't think people look for any particular type of vehicle - I don't. There are enough bikes and cyclists on the road for people to be sufficiently familiar to recognise them as being a hazard.
    I actually do think people only look/glance for larger vehicles. I'm sure I used to. I now find myself semi-subconsciously arriving at intersections and thinking "are there any vehicles, including bikes, coming?"
    There's that whole 'you often only see what you're looking for' thing which was proven with the video of the basketballers and either a guy in a gorilla suit or a guy with a bag with a $ sign on it.

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    I'm almost tempted to start riding around with a high vis vest over my jacket. I always slow down when riding past intersections as well, even if I have the right of way. I usually ride at no more than 35-40kmh past a (green) traffic light if the traffic is busy.

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    Best way to fix the problem is get more riders on the road and riding more often to normalise looking out for bikes rather than the occasional "Oh shit there's bike, lucky I spotted that one"
    Swarm the bastards!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMOKEU View Post
    I'm almost tempted to start riding around with a high vis vest over my jacket. I always slow down when riding past intersections as well, even if I have the right of way. I usually ride at no more than 35-40kmh past a (green) traffic light if the traffic is busy.
    I've started doing that commuting to work..I've noticed that lots of drivers on my commute also wear Hi Viz vests.....once something is that common its probably ignored. I bet when Stop and Give Way signs were first introduced people used to Stop and Give Way......
    I only wear it as my bikes black, my gear is black and the roads black...... the light is always on and I am home unlike most car drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMOKEU View Post
    I'm almost tempted to start riding around with a high vis vest over my jacket. I always slow down when riding past intersections as well, even if I have the right of way. I usually ride at no more than 35-40kmh past a (green) traffic light if the traffic is busy.
    Personally I don't like hi-vis and will never wear one, especially here in ChCh. If you see someone wearing a high vis vest, what are they likely to be doing? The answer is they're probably digging a hole, standing by their HiLux or maybe riding a bicycle; and none of those options involve travelling down the road at 50 kmh, so if Johnny Pajero sees one he knows he can pull out safely.
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