Give Way rule date changed

**bikerdan** · 10th November 2011, 18:09

I live in a small town full of bad drivers.... There gonna be some funny sights to see...

Talking about funny some old man on a mobility scooter tried to end it on the nose of my work truck today
He just kept heading out into traffic to cross the road. Never stopped just left every one else to do the right thing...

**Laava** · 10th November 2011, 18:14

No doubt in March they will be advertising the imminent change hard out. I hope they have a memorable jingle! Ah, good times!!!!!!

**Pedrostt500** · 10th November 2011, 21:21

There is only one rule that all motorcyclists need to remember, Rule 1, Every other fucker is out to kill you, Rule 2, Every other Fucker is out to kill you.
And my advice pertaining to rule 1, is treat every other motorist as if they are a murdering Idiot, and in this way they will have no surprises for you.

**warewolf** · 10th November 2011, 22:22

I'm just quoting SMOKEU for some context.

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

I wonder how many crashes are going to happen, and insurance premiums are likely to go through the roof.

You people are woefully ignorant on this matter.

The Aussie state of Victoria introduced this rule in the late '60s early 70's because they were the last Aussie big city to run trams down the middle of the road. Then NZ adopted it, like they adopt every other stupid thing Victoria does: motorcycle safety levy, anyone?! Victoria figured it was a bad thing, and got rid of it in the late '80s. Now, it is well known that when you change the road rules, the ensuing chaos causing an upward spike in the accident rate while everyone adjusts. This rule is so bad, that it has become renowned throughout the traffic management industry world-wide, because when it was changed back to the normal, usual, sensible way that most of the world uses, there was no upward spike in the accident rate, but rather intersection crashes immediately reduced.

Get over yourselves Kiwis! You didn't invent it, so don't act like it is some ingrained part of your karma that shouldn't be changed. Just because you are used to it doesn't mean it isn't strange or weird or unusual in the grander scheme of things. Everybody else has problems with narrow roads, traffic densities etc whilst waiting to turn right, too. Deal with it.

**Berries** · 10th November 2011, 23:33

It's official, KB has gone softcock. Going to catch the bus/walk/drive indeed. Anyone would think that every person out there obeys the rules now.

Originally Posted by Pedrostt500

There is only one rule that all motorcyclists need to remember, Rule 1, Every other fucker is out to kill you, Rule 2, Every other Fucker is out to kill you.
And my advice pertaining to rule 1, is treat every other motorist as if they are a murdering Idiot, and in this way they will have no surprises for you.

Wot he said.

**ellipsis** · 11th November 2011, 00:19

...wot fuckin rules are you all talkin about...who's fuckin who and who's not payin'....

**F5 Dave** · 11th November 2011, 08:36

Originally Posted by warewolf

I'm just quoting SMOKEU for some context.
You people are woefully ignorant on this matter.

The Aussie state of Victoria introduced this rule in the late '60s early 70's because they were the last Aussie big city to run trams down the middle of the road. Then NZ adopted it, like they adopt every other stupid thing Victoria does: motorcycle safety levy, anyone?! Victoria figured it was a bad thing, and got rid of it in the late '80s. Now, it is well known that when you change the road rules, the ensuing chaos causing an upward spike in the accident rate while everyone adjusts. This rule is so bad, that it has become renowned throughout the traffic management industry world-wide, because when it was changed back to the normal, usual, sensible way that most of the world uses, there was no upward spike in the accident rate, but rather intersection crashes immediately reduced.

Get over yourselves Kiwis! You didn't invent it, so don't act like it is some ingrained part of your karma that shouldn't be changed. Just because you are used to it doesn't mean it isn't strange or weird or unusual in the grander scheme of things. Everybody else has problems with narrow roads, traffic densities etc whilst waiting to turn right, too. Deal with it.

Well that told us. Thanks for that. best we get over ourselves like you say. Glad to be in presence of such an advanced enlightened being.

I had acknowledged that it made sense to change it. But I'm just saying that I will be questioning my inbuilt 'I know I'm right about the give way rule' subroutine for some years.

**MSTRS:Me** · 11th November 2011, 08:57

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

Gotta say I'm doing a mind funk over it. A ways back I changed my mind about this rule. The old one was only brought in because of Trams apparently.

Originally Posted by warewolf

The Aussie state of Victoria introduced this rule in the late '60s early 70's because they were the last Aussie big city to run trams down the middle of the road. Then NZ adopted it, like they adopt every other stupid thing Victoria does: motorcycle safety levy, anyone?!

Don't know about trams...they were LONG GONE when the current rule was brought in here in the mid/late 70s. I understood the idea behind it to be 'give way to the right - no exceptions'.

**Scuba_Steve** · 11th November 2011, 09:16

Well I see why we're bringing it in, along with being an illogical & stupid rule (the sort we like to adopt) I see it's also continuing the trend of dumbing down drivers.
"right turning cars give way to traffic turning left into the same road, which would give drivers less to think about." - Steven Joyce

**steve_t** · 11th November 2011, 09:42

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

Well I see why we're bringing it in, along with being an illogical & stupid rule (the sort we like to adopt) I see it's also continuing the trend of dumbing down drivers.
"right turning cars give way to traffic turning left into the same road, which would give drivers less to think about." - Steven Joyce

I think I may have said this previously but again, currently, turning left is too complicated for the average driver. You need to check to your left as you move over to make sure there's no pedestrian about to step out or scooterist trying to duck up the inside. You need to look ahead to see if there is someone turning right into the same road as you, in which case you have to give way. You then need to look in your rearview mirror to see if the vehicle behind you is going straight. If it is, you then don't give way to the car turning right but proceed.

The new rule makes things simpler and also brings us into line with international convention. I wonder if the world will ever get to the stage of traveling on the same side of the road, be it left or right.

**Scuba_Steve** · 11th November 2011, 10:09

Originally Posted by steve_t

I think I may have said this previously but again, currently, turning left is too complicated for the average driver. You need to check to your left as you move over to make sure there's no pedestrian about to step out or scooterist trying to duck up the inside. You need to look ahead to see if there is someone turning right into the same road as you, in which case you have to give way. You then need to look in your rearview mirror to see if the vehicle behind you is going straight. If it is, you then don't give way to the car turning right but proceed.

The new rule makes things simpler and also brings us into line with international convention. I wonder if the world will ever get to the stage of traveling on the same side of the road, be it left or right.

I think your overcomplicating it. You don't need to do a full check left (tho your same argument could be used for the new/old rule), you don't need to look behind (you go round as they pass) you just have to watch the person to your right, couldn't be simpler & the current rule gives allowance for that person on your right to turn, whereas this new/old one could have them sitting for quite the while

**F5 Dave** · 11th November 2011, 10:24

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

I think your overcomplicating it. . . . . or that person on your right to turn, whereas this new/old one could have them sitting for quite the while

I think you're under-complicating the grammar involved. Your first use of 'your' is incorrect, whilst the 2nd is just fine. Thank you, no problem.

**MSTRS:Me** · 11th November 2011, 10:29

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

I think you're under-complicating the grammar involved. Your first use of 'your' is incorrect, whilst the 2nd is just fine. Thank you, no problem.

Only fully paid-up members of the BDOTGNZA may issue admonitions re poor use of English written grammar. I do hope you got your subs in on time...
Mind you, there was a recent resolution passed by the full council to allow non-financial associates to point out inaccuracies. So technically you are not in breach of the rules.