Give Way rule date changed

[Scuba_Steve]

I'm trying to understand the situation you are talking about... a really busy road with lots of straight traffic, but it's narrow with no median to turn right, and no lights for an intersection, in a city? Sounds far too fantastical to be true.

you don't travel much do you??? In NZ there are quite a few places like that, admittedly city was the wrong word to use (I was using it in generic sense) while they do appear occasionally in cities you are more likely to find them in towns.
Leave your country (Auckland) once & awhile come to NZ, head out to some of our smaller towns you'll find the problem soon enough (especially in peak).

I have spent half my driving life, driving for a living or as part of my living. I have spent ALOT of time on NZ roads, I could tell you most the things wrong with NZ roads & NZ drivers & this current give-way rule aint 1 of them, it is logical & best for traffic flow there is nothing wrong with it.

[MSTRS:Me]

Like a lot of things on the road, what 'you' want to do is your problem. What the law says you must do is the important factor...

[superman]

(especially in peak).

I can't imagine peak being an issue, any busy intersection should be wide. That's pretty general road design. If an intersection fails terribly under the new law I'm sure they'll get around to widening and allowing right turners to have a median in busy places.

Peak out of Auckland...

[MSTRS:Me]

Peak out of Auckland...

See...that is why the rest of the country has such a problem with Aucklanders...it's the attitude.
Just for your info, anywhere that has intersections and times of greatly increased traffic flow will experience problems just like those in Orks.
Don't shoot the messenger

[bogan]

Another point in favour of the new laws, is less room for abuse. I've had a few who see me waiting and indicating to turn right, who just don't indicate and turn left quickly; low chance of an accident cos there is no time for me to try and turn, but it pisses me off! Especially when they look right at me before turning

[oneofsix]

Another point in favour of the new laws, is less room for abuse. I've had a few who see me waiting and indicating to turn right, who just don't indicate and turn left quickly; low chance of an accident cos there is no time for me to try and turn, but it pisses me off! Especially when they look right at me before turning

So it will mean no change for you, you will still be stuck in the middle of the road waiting to turn right.

[superman]

See...that is why the rest of the country has such a problem with Aucklanders...it's the attitude.
Just for your info, anywhere that has intersections and times of greatly increased traffic flow will experience problems just like those in Orks.
Don't shoot the messenger

Lol, I live 50km from the CBD, I hardly feel like an Aucklander. But you have to actively portray your stereotype otherwise people won't know what to do with themselves.

I'm just trying to think of places even here where the issue would arise, almost all the intersections where peak problems could occur have roundabouts which tend to self regulate quite well.

[bogan]

So it will mean no change for you, you will still be stuck in the middle of the road waiting to turn right.

Be less angry though

[oneofsix]

Be less angry though

That I can relate to.

Called the bluff on one old fuka in a falcon in Palmy once, he was determined to turn left and not give way. He got rather pissed when he found me right beside him. We were going in different direction at the next intersection so he pulls up beside me and starts yelling about how his car was bigger than my bike and the risk I took. An obvious bully mentality but i had managed the risk to me, figger he was more concerned about the risk to his shiny metal. He knew the rules, just didn't want to obey them. If he still survives I guess the next change will just give him another excuse to pretend he doesn't understand however, as you have pointed out, he will now be the one disadvantaged by the width of a lane if he tries to turn right without giving way to a left turner.

[MSTRS:Me]

...almost all the intersections where peak problems could occur have roundabouts which tend to self regulate quite well.

Oh really? You need to dust off your passport and check out NZ...

[oneofsix]

. If an intersection fails terribly under the new law I'm sure they'll get around to widening and allowing right turners to have a median in busy places.

Oh come on, no ones has picked him up on this piece of Squawkland thinking. If there is a roading problem in Squawkland they expect the government will fix it pronto. In the rest of NZ there are places that are still waiting on intersection changes from the law change 30 years ago.

[steve_t]

Oh really? You need to dust off your passport and check out NZ...

What if Superman hasn't got a passport?

[steve_t]

Oh come on, no ones has picked him up on this piece of Squawkland thinking. If there is a roading problem in Squawkland they expect the government will fix it pronto. In the rest of NZ there are places that are still waiting on intersection changes from the law change 30 years ago.

What changes were needed and where are these intersections?

[superman]

Oh come on, no ones has picked him up on this piece of Squawkland thinking. If there is a roading problem in Squawkland they expect the government will fix it pronto. In the rest of NZ there are places that are still waiting on intersection changes from the law change 30 years ago.

I thought local councils pay for road works etc, government only does motorways/highways doesn't it?

[Parlane]

almost all the intersections where peak problems could occur have roundabouts which tend to self regulate quite well.

This roundabout is completely contrary to the above:

http://g.co/maps/fns3e

90% of traffic comes from the north in one huge line with almost no gaps and either goes south or west. Traffic trying to come from the east has almost no oppurtunity to go through. I have experienced this first hand, the conclusion is to never go that way...