Give Way rule date changed

[Scuba_Steve]

Currently it's holding up cars behind the left turners... soon it'll be holding up cars behind the right turners (in narrow road situations). How will it be holding up traffic for longer? If anything it'll be less hold up because left turners can just go with no worries, while at the moment right turners must watch out, left turners must watch out, and then decide. In the new rule all responsibility is put on the right turner. (and I seem to remember somewhere that if conducting a right turn and straight flowing vehicles are behind you, you are supposed to pull over to the left and let them pass first... like that'd ever happen here)

the 1st 2 left turners as a general rule will always have a place to pull into the kerb, the right hand turner has nowhere to pull over, that "pulling left" example is given in country, in city there is either parked cars on a T intersection or a street on cross intersection so nowhere for them to "pull left" and doing so would make their trip even worse they might as well get out & walk the rest da way as they would have to deal with 2 sets of straight traffic as well as left turn traffic.

If your turning left & holding cars up on a standard road, learn how to drive!!!

[steve_t]

If your turning left & holding cars up on a standard road, learn how to drive!!!

That's the problem. There are too many people that struggle with the rule as it is, as well as tourists from other countries, that it makes sense to change it. 'Learn how to drive' doesn't work because the population contains too many retards

[oneofsix]

That's the problem. There are too many people that struggle with the rule as it is, as well as tourists from other countries, that it makes sense to change it. 'Learn how to drive' doesn't work because the population contains too many retards

You must be deluded. If they can use that excuse for 30 years changing the rule again just gives them another chance to play dumb or dead man's bluff with other road users, especially bikers.

[Parlane]

With the rule change, here nothing changes, correct ?

As the red car is at a give way anyway so the right turning traffic in blue only has to watch out for straight traffic. I love this intersection, right turning traffic in blue manages to take out at least one of the lanes on this two lane road.

[bogan]

With the rule change, here nothing changes, correct ?

As the red car is at a give way anyway so the right turning traffic in blue only has to watch out for straight traffic. I love this intersection, right turning traffic in blue manages to take out at least one of the lanes on this two lane road.

The red only has to give way if the blue car is indicating that they will move into the left lane, otherwise they just take the left and right hand lanes respectively. But a lot of cagers don't seem to grasp the concept of apexes, so it is wise to leave a bit of space!

[Parlane]

The red only has to give way if the blue car is indicating that they will move into the left lane, otherwise they just take the left and right hand lanes respectively. But a lot of cagers don't seem to grasp the concept of apexes, so it is wise to leave a bit of space!

At what point should the blue car indicate to show that it wishes to be in the left lane. You can't change lanes in an intersection afaik ?

[bogan]

At what point should the blue car indicate to show that it wishes to be in the left lane. You can't change lanes in an intersection afaik ?

not sure, I do it about half way through the turn, but only when there are no other cars coming through from the left anyway

[MSTRS:Me]

not sure, I do it about half way through the turn, but only when there are no other cars coming through from the left anyway

FFS!!!!
No wonder there is sooooo much trouble with the turn rules.
Neither give way to the other in this situation. You are SUPPOSED to turn into the lane closest to you. So the red car turns left into the left of the two available lanes and the blue turns right into the right of the two lanes. Change lanes down the road if you need to.
Mr Blue Car - see the dotted lines curving to your right? Keep those fuckers on your left as you proceed through your turn.

[steve_t]

You must be deluded. If they can use that excuse for 30 years changing the rule again just gives them another chance to play dumb or dead man's bluff with other road users, especially bikers.

The other GREAT thing about the law change is that if a biker happens to accidentally leave their left indicator on and pass a road on their left but they intend to go straight, they're no longer going to get mashed!

[steve_t]

FFS!!!!
No wonder there is sooooo much trouble with the turn rules.
Neither give way to the other in this situation. You are SUPPOSED to turn into the lane closest to you. So the red car turns left into the left of the two available lanes and the blue turns right into the right of the two lanes. Change lanes down the road if you need to.
Mr Blue Car - see the dotted lines curving to your right? Keep those fuckers on your left as you proceed through your turn.

What he said

[superman]

in city there is either parked cars on a T intersection or a street on cross intersection so nowhere for them to "pull left" and doing so would make their trip even worse they might as well get out & walk the rest da way as they would have to deal with 2 sets of straight traffic as well as left turn traffic.

I'm trying to understand the situation you are talking about... a really busy road with lots of straight traffic, but it's narrow with no median to turn right, and no lights for an intersection, in a city? Sounds far too fantastical to be true.

[Parlane]

FFS!!!!
No wonder there is sooooo much trouble with the turn rules.
Neither give way to the other in this situation. You are SUPPOSED to turn into the lane closest to you. So the red car turns left into the left of the two available lanes and the blue turns right into the right of the two lanes. Change lanes down the road if you need to.
Mr Blue Car - see the dotted lines curving to your right? Keep those fuckers on your left as you proceed through your turn.

If you read, bogan understands that each vehicle has it's own lane to turn in to. What bogan was referring to is if the blue car wants to be in the left lane and not the right. And at what point can the blue car move in to that left lane.

[MSTRS:Me]

If you read, bogan understands that each vehicle has it's own lane to turn in to. What bogan was referring to is if the blue car wants to be in the left lane and not the right. And at what point can the blue car move in to that left lane.

But the law is that each must turn into their respective lanes. Pity that so few seem to understand this and it's seldom, if ever, policed.
Even if I did (slightly) misread Bogan's post, how is the blue car going to indicate he wants to turn into the left lane? He should be indicating his right turn...

[Parlane]

But the law is that each must turn into their respective lanes. Pity that so few seem to understand this and it's seldom, if ever, policed.
Even if I did (slightly) misread Bogan's post, how is the blue car going to indicate he wants to turn into the left lane? He should be indicating his right turn...

Exactly! How..

In regards to the respective lanes. I have an old car that I would love to be written off. I teach drivers the rules all the time! Except buses and trucks obv... As they have no choice.


edit: obv I won't ever purposefully crash in to someone. It was said in jest.

[bogan]

But the law is that each must turn into their respective lanes. Pity that so few seem to understand this and it's seldom, if ever, policed.
Even if I did (slightly) misread Bogan's post, how is the blue car going to indicate he wants to turn into the left lane? He should be indicating his right turn...

What if the first driveway on the left after the right turn is where you want to go? Circle the block?

Or what if you are on a slow electric vehicle (but excellent on fuel economy), and want to leave the right hand lane for faster traffic, which would otherwise immediately (and without any indicating) swap to the left if the right was occupied by said electric vehicle. I get 1-2secs of indicating in before the change into the empty (verified) lane, by indicating left after I have made the first 1/3rd of the right hand turn.