FYI - MOTO NZ impending RFP

[Katman]

I'm confused

Don't worry - that sounds normal.

[MSTRS:Me]

If we continue to crash into other vehicles at the rate we are we can kiss our fashionable black goodbye.

And wearing hi-vis will do that? Stop us crashing into other vehicles?

[Katman]

And wearing hi-vis will do that? Stop us crashing into other vehicles?

Where did I suggest that John?

Opening our eyes and using our brains are what will stop us crashing into other vehicles.

[Swoop]

Opening our eyes and using our brains are what will stop us crashing into other vehicles.

Education will do that for ya.
It would also help drivers of other vehicles on our roads as well.

[MSTRS:Me]

Where did I suggest that John? In your quoted post, Steve me lad

Opening our eyes and using our brains are what will stop us crashing into other vehicles. Of course. Same is true of ALL motorists

Gotta be careful with how something is written. Otherwise some prick will come all along and point the finger of derision...

Thing is, hi-vis WON'T make us ride 'better' and nor will it mean that we are seen.

[Katman]

Good luck with getting other motorists to change their behaviour.

It is infinitely easier (and safer) to modify our own behaviour than to rely on the consciences (or consciousness) of others.

[MSTRS:Me]

Good luck with getting other motorists to change their behaviour.

It is infinitely easier (and safer) to modify our own behaviour than to rely on the consciences (or consciousness) of others.

Correct.
The point is that a correlation between us crashing into things being improved by us wearing hi-vis is erroneous.
The correlation between things crashing into us being improved by us wearing hi-vis is somewhat less tenuous - but probably falls into the category of wishful thinking.

I agree that our behaviour/s and attention skills are the only things we can expect to have any real effect on our safety outcomes.

[Fast Eddie]

You missed the point huh?

...maybe your username might be better suited to just "eddie" eh?

haha go ride your bike man.

You'll have to excuse him, he is university educated

Shhhh people get jealous when they find out I get nearly 4 months holiday a year

[pritch]

I didn't read all of the thread; too predictable.

Don't waste time posting here, email your MP.

[misterO]

Though your suggestion has merit it contravenes the spirit of KB: tis better to curse the darkness than to light a candle (more fun, anyway).

[swbarnett]

If we continue to crash into other vehicles at the rate we are we can kiss our fashionable black goodbye.

Only if we sit by and let it happen.

[Flip]

It's like the poor battered wife that sits at home crying that it's not her fault that her drunken husband comes home each night and beats her.

Once again Ka(r)tman fires from the lip and misses his target. Where do you get these ideas from?

Nice one!

[Berries]

Further proof of how well they work - Hi-vis Fail

[Katman]

The fact of the matter is that the powers that be won't particularly care if compulsory hi viz doesn't end up reducing the accident rate.

For very little cost they'll be able to sit back and say "Oh well, we had to try something" and in the meantime hi viz will be here to stay.

[Brian407]

We have fluro vests in the cupboard. Wifey used to wear hers mostly for at night only because she didn't have any reflective stuff at the back of her jacket. She has a pink mohawk on her helmet, a pink jacket, and a vest...I witnessed on 3 occasions people pulling out in front of her. 1 was looking directly at her. But she was riding as all bikers have too, so knew every time what useless drivers will do. Like has been said, if every bike as fluro, people will stop seeing it. Simple fact.

You wanna be seen, let's throw on bike specific flashers. Green and blue I say.

If they introduce fluros, does that mean that if a bike gets hit from "didn't see you" muppets, does that mean they can get their licence cancelled because they shouldn't be driving? Only fair isn't it?

God, it pisses me off when the majority of NZ thinks the best way to fix the deaths/accidents on the road is to introduce more shit. For fuck sake - start fucken educating better! Introduce 5 yearly resits for all I care, but for god sakes, we need to stop testing just on road rules and start testing on being courteous to fellow road users.

Now there's a man with a clue. Buy him a beer. This is the most pathetically easy country in the world to get a friggen licence, and once you've got it no further training is required. What a load of crap that is. Most trades have refresher courses, first aiders have refresher courses, fucken office workers have refresher courses sometimes, yet we licence someone to take out half a ton (or more) of steel that kills, and send them on thier merry way till thier seventy with no followup whatsoever and wonder why people are dying on our roads. What sort of dumbass came up with that idea. Get a friggen grip people. Education saves lives, not legislation.

We have one of the highest accident rates in the world, yet we have some of the most restrictive legislation in the world around driving. What does that tell you. Countries that have tried the HiViz thing have all said the same thing. It makes no appreciable difference. What works is rider/driver education. Hell, in some parts of the US they dont even have routine safety inspections (WOF) on vehicles, yet they have considerably lower accident rates than us. Why??? Because thier rider/driver training is better.