MOTO-NZ finally come up with something for all our money

[MrKiwi]

why would they? the Govt gets it's "cheapest tender" (or at-least biggest backhanders), the Chinese make profit & cut corners to improve this, & the general public is left ignorant.
Until it's cut enough to have a real effect on cars, no ones gonna investigate further

The Government doesn't do back handers, but they do like cheap tenders that meet required specs.

[Bassmatt]

The first thing would then be to find a specialist on this subject of asphalt/tar seal who would be able to inform how it all works, and then to provide information re what is done in NZ, so that there would be some credibility to this. Any one have any idea where we could find such a expert who would be prepared to give this info?

Yeah, shouldn't our "guardians" be looking at this?
Oh wait... they might upset thier bosses AND actually do something effective, silly me.

[MrKiwi]

Yeah, shouldn't our "guardians" be looking at this?
Oh wait... they might upset thier bosses AND actually do something effective, silly me.

Remind me again - who are our guardians?

[Scuba_Steve]

The Government doesn't do back handers, but they do like cheap tenders that meet required specs.

Which Govt are you talking bout? Cause the NZ one most certainly does. Maybee not on this matter but there's NO way backhanders aren't present in Govt

[Bassmatt]

Remind me again - who are our guardians?

Your a smart guy you know what/who I'm referring to.

[MrKiwi]

Which Govt are you talking bout? Cause the NZ one most certainly does. Maybee not on this matter but there's NO way backhanders aren't present in Govt

I've worked in and out of government at senior levels for 20 years and have never seen backhanders. NZ is constantly rated as having the least corrupt government in the world. Maybe I'll stop short of being as emphatic as I was with my previous post, but I've simply not seen them.

[MrKiwi]

Your a smart guy you know what/who I'm referring to.

maybe I was trying to say something too?

[Berries]

Fulton Hogan owns pretty much every tar sealing outfit in NZ, don't think I'm right? go take a look at who actually owns all the other names in road sealing, ultimately they all come under the Chinese owners of Fulton Hogan.

Eh? I thought the biggest individual shareholder in FH was Shell followed by hundreds of smaller ones? Can you point me to anything that shows the Chinese have a hand in it?

The first thing would then be to find a specialist on this subject of asphalt/tar seal who would be able to inform how it all works, and then to provide information re what is done in NZ, so that there would be some credibility to this. Any one have any idea where we could find such a expert who would be prepared to give this info?

If you are serious try and get your hands on a copy of 'Chipsealing in New Zealand'. The conspiracists will quickly point out that it was published by Transit New Zealand but it will give you a good understanding of the subject. You can read the chapters online here.

[Ocean1]

'Chipsealing in New Zealand]

Must have a wee look later. But having just traversed a fair portion of the south's roads I can assure you there's a huge difference in both application and quality between the islands. You can actually ride over freshly laid examples down here without throwing a strip of chips all over the landscape, it seems perfectly complete immediately, as compared to the road outside my workshop, which is still black rocky soup a month later. It's a joke.

[Bassmatt]

maybe I was trying to say something too?

You think i should have written it as The Guardians?

[MrKiwi]

The MotoNZ website has been updated following the recent Motorcycle Safety Levy Advisory Council meeting in early December. The Council has also released a literature review on conspicuity and is keen to hear your views.

See this link - http://motonz.org.nz/ bottom of the page.

[bogan]

The MotoNZ website has been updated following the recent Motorcycle Safety Levy Advisory Council meeting in early December. The Council has also released a literature review on conspicuity and is keen to hear your views.

See this link - http://motonz.org.nz/ bottom of the page.

Survey done, fuck there are a lot of words and bugger all figures in that report, might give it more than a skim through some other time...

[James Deuce]

The report is frankly horrible and the survey is very poorly constructed. Designed to give the responses they want. I have an issues with the Hi-Vis/Reflective gear answers because ALL textile jackets of any quality have built-in reflective patches, stripes, or panels, that aren't necessarily fluoro or even visible as being reflective to the naked eye. Most of the people who wear reflective vests tend to have big giant windjammer style fairings and top boxes or pack racks with a bag that never comes off the bike. So the reflective stripes never get to do their job and when you crash into them from the side you get a momentary flash of green, pink, or yellow before the bumping and scraping starts.

I reckon these have the best potential effect on allowing other road users to see you and judge your speed and distance:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorbike-LE...item2a2210f989
They are as far apart as you can get on a bike and aren't blindingly bright.

[Flip]

The MotoNZ website has been updated following the recent Motorcycle Safety Levy Advisory Council meeting in early December. The Council has also released a literature review on conspicuity and is keen to hear your views.

See this link - http://motonz.org.nz/ bottom of the page.

So this is what you have wasted my $30 doing?

I lost interest half way through the exec summary also.

[oneofsix]

I thought the main message was that all drivers had to first get the 6F

car drivers who also have experience as motorcyclists look in different places for motorcyclists at
junctions when compared with other experienced car drivers and with novices.