Safer Journeys for Motorcycling

[scumdog]

I see that as more of a cultural issue and no amount of training is going change their attitudes. Making licenses harder to get and keep won't stop these people, they're already largely immune to the sanctions that the state can/will apply, they're already ignoring fines and driving without licenses anyway.

Nah, more severe sanctions would make them wind their heads in - like "No licence? ooops, you car will be crushed" - at least they wouldn't be driving without a licence in THAT car again.

Look at what the poms do just because you don't have insurance for instance...

[trustme]

Nah, more severe sanctions would make them wind their heads in - like "No licence? ooops, you car will be crushed" - at least they wouldn't be driving without a licence in THAT car again.

Look at what the poms do just because you don't have insurance for instance...

I seem to recall that the pommie insurance compliance is little better than NZ where insurance is non compulsory. Legislation is not the answer.

[Clockwork]

No. They're not.

I know you're a cynic from way back, James but honestly have you never seen they way the drive in Asia, India, Africa, Latin America the Middle east and Eastern Europe?

[Clockwork]

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Look at what the poms do just because you don't have insurance for instance...

And yet still they offend. And the cops there even alerted automatically when an uninsured car is spotted on any one of the multitude of police cameras.

[bikaholic]

I am not saying you are wrong, but would like you to show those facts and where they are stated. Because if you are right, then the issue becomes something totally different.

Joyce paraded those stats to back up him putting time limitations on persons with learners and restricted licences.

[bikaholic]

Depends on the issue, conquizator, are you trying to cure the riff raff on bikes, or distance competent bikers from the riff raff.

Trades like sparkies and plumbers, proffessions like doctors and nurses have to belong to a society, update practising licences with refresher training and are held to account to a higher standard as judged by their peers.
In this way they distance themselves from the retards of their trade, but they cannot eliminate them.

[caseye]

So perhaps a voluntary training and rehab for motorcyclists that want to become better riders and gain more skills while making sure that by their OWN actions that they are not seen as temporary NZ'ers and idiots
Just a random thought, seems like not a bad idea to me. I'd give it a go.

[StoneY]

Problem with that Mark, is even if we behave and stop doing the squid acts, perceptions will not change.
The bikes are seen as fast, loud, dangerous and the toys of the rebels that want to live just outside the 'normal' as perceived by mr Joe Middle Of The Road Public.

Face it, injuries and deaths are down, based on the upsize of the fleet vs the actual crashes and deaths (which have been quite static a long time while the fleet grows)
Contributing to those numbers is better emergency procedures (choppers) better bike gear, better tech on the bikes themselves, the training new incoming riders have to do compared to when I took the scooter for a blat and waited 6 months......

This gets too complex to accurately gauge via mere statistical blips...(errors included)

[riffer]

Conquistador et al, I'm in Hamilton at the moment so away from all my stuff. I should have probably said significant minority, rather than majority - I think from memory it's approaching 50% of the injuries and fatals are riders outside their licence conditions - either way it's a not insignificant sum.

I'll be back in Upper Hutt in a few days and I'll check my figures. Trouble is, they mostly come from CAS which we all know isn't perfect.

On another note I spotted quite a few riders on the way from Upper Hutt to Hamilton today. Every one I saw was riding well and well dressed for the conditions, with not a one breaking the speed limit or behaving badly.

Get to Hamilton and what do I see within 5 minutes? Four scooter riders wearing jandals and T-shirts, and one with bare feet! And one rider on a VFR400 100 metres from a significant intersection overtake a left-indicating car on the inside.

FFS! What is it with you people in Hamilton?

[Katman]

Problem with that Mark, is even if we behave and stop doing the squid acts, perceptions will not change.

Thank fuck you're not in any position of influence any more.

[StoneY]

Thank fuck you're not in any position of influence any more.

Thank fuck YOU have never been. That would have been far, far worse a scenario...........

[Katman]

Go on, tell us again Brent.

What were you once?

[StoneY]

Go on, tell us again Brent.

What were you once?

What's your point Steve? I am myself, always have been and remain so.
You are the one who seems fascinated with the past, I personally don't give a fuck about it anymore.

[Fatt Max]

I know you're a cynic from way back, James but honestly have you never seen they way the drive in Asia, India, Africa, Latin America the Middle east and Eastern Europe?

you forgot Howick and Botany Downs.........

[Katman]

What's your point Steve? I am myself, always have been and remain so.
You are the one who seems fascinated with the past, I personally don't give a fuck about it anymore.

Cool. So we don't have to listen to who you were, what you did, or why the others gave you the arse, any more then?