Safer Journeys for Motorcycling

[Conquiztador]

Luv the video of the vultures, and yes , seems like where we are.
So lets have a review.
Moto-NZ, Government funded, doing what was suspected they would do. This despite the attempts of some to bring them to some understanding of what was needed.
MNZ. Sports related, not an issue for a lot of people.
Ulysses, concerned with Ulysses. Over 40? Member? Right enough. Not interested in anything else. And why would they be? No fault there.
BRONZ. More contentious, but again, no probs.
Auckland...Hmmmm. Ride Right Ride Safe. Toy run, Blood Run. Numbers? Probably back down to pre Bikoi levels (26)
Wellington. Riffer, doing a blazing job, have no idea bout paid up members. But again considering the number of bikers, miniscule. But in terms of making a difference in Wellington, can't fault them.
MAG-NZ, on hold.

So, where are we? This is It?

Add:
HOG. Harley Owners Group, worried about...
MC traders in NZ. Interested in selling bikes and gear. Any change in the landscape would affect them in a big way.
Insurance companies. Interested in insuring bikes and making a profit out of it.
MC/MCC/Social clubs. Mainly interested in their members and own issues.
KB. A mix of riders/bike enthusiasts from all walks of life. No direction, only functions as a forum.

[Fatt Max]

Before starting a new organisation/getting involved with a current one I think the first thing that needs to be done is decide on what the issue is and get all to agree... Hmmm, have we been here before??

Yes we have mate,

Is that a reason to not bother or more of an incentive to make something happen....???

We are going to get rooted up the jacksy again by this present government, cant change that now because, well, they got voted in. But we do have three years to get our shit together, lobby the parties and see who will give us the best deal for which they can be held accountable.

In tandem with this we work on being better and safer riders.

All been said before, is this not something that BRONZ should therefore be spearheading. After all I am talking here about bikers rights, are they not the organisation that represents that.

So, before we do anything, do we lobby BRONZ...???....maybe that is the way to go but make a meaningful stand on this. Or do MAG want to step up and grab hold of this??

Just thinking out loud after a very restless night going through all the work that went into our rights and the situation we are at now.

Oh and by the way, I apologize for the use of the 'C' word in previous posts....no real need for that

[Maha]

Which ever which ever, can some please actually do something rather than slapping each others arse on an public networking site over and over so that myself (and other like minded bikers) can continue to get the most enjoyment out of weekends on the road?

[Conquiztador]

Which ever which ever, can some please actually do something rather than slapping each others arse on an public networking site over and over so that myself (and other like minded bikers) can continue to get the most enjoyment out of weekends on the road?

I'll try again...
Issues we all can (perhaps? maybe?) agree on as bikers:

• Rego is too high. (Notice I do not get in to why or what should be done as that will straight away kill this...)
• We do not want compulsory Hi-Vis vests. (The ones who want to wear them should be allowed to, after all this IS still a free country...)
• We do not want compulsory Hi-Vis helmets or white ones! (Same logic as the vests)
• We want to stay alive, but draconian measures is not what we are wanting. We advocate for better initial rider training, ongoing training (no mentioning at this stage if it should be compulsory as that would also devide the masses) and regular doctor checkups to make sure we are able to ride (again, no mentioning here re if this is compulsory or not for same reasons)
• We want other road users to have training in what it means to share the road with motor bikes. (Type and frequency of training not mentioned here)
• Road maintenance to help us stay alive. (No mentioning what as we will disagree on what is important)

And somehow I think that is all we can agree on. What should happen with ACC is not something we can agree on, speeds up or down on roads is again something that we disagree on. Age of when able to ride, size of bikes and so on is all issues that we have many options on.

Or perhaps there is more we can agree on???

[Katman]

I'll try again...
Issues we all can (perhaps? maybe?) agree on as bikers:

• Rego is too high. (Notice I do not get in to why or what should be done as that will straight away kill this...)
• We do not want compulsory Hi-Vis vests. (The ones who want to wear them should be allowed to, after all this IS still a free country...)
• We do not want compulsory Hi-Vis helmets or white ones! (Same logic as the vests)
• We want to stay alive, but draconian measures is not what we are wanting. We advocate for better initial rider training, ongoing training (no mentioning at this stage if it should be compulsory as that would also devide the masses) and regular doctor checkups to make sure we are able to ride (again, no mentioning here re if this is compulsory or not for same reasons)
• We want other road users to have training in what it means to share the road with motor bikes. (Type and frequency of training not mentioned here)
• Road maintenance to help us stay alive. (No mentioning what as we will disagree on what is important)

And somehow I think that is all we can agree on. What should happen with ACC is not something we can agree on, speeds up or down on roads is again something that we disagree on. Age of when able to ride, size of bikes and so on is all issues that we have many options on.

Or perhaps there is more we can agree on???

That's all a wonderful little pipe dream but until we're seen to be taking the matter of our own safety seriously by addressing our own behaviour on the road then there ain't going to be anything gained no matter how high we jump up and down.

[Katman]

That's all a wonderful little pipe dream but until we're seen to be taking the matter of our own safety seriously by addressing our own behaviour on the road then there ain't going to be anything gained no matter how high we jump up and down.

Repost.










(Thought I'd get that in before anyone else).

[Maha]

Repost.

(Thought I'd get that in before anyone else).

I was trying to word those words myself.....

If riding outside the limits of which you think 'unfair' is your thing, then surely you must be prepeared to pay for that privilege.

[Katman]

The fact of the matter is.......

It doesn't matter how many guns you have - you're fucked without ammo.

[Fatt Max]

The fact of the matter is.......

It doesn't matter how many guns you have - you're fucked without ammo.

Head of nail whacked with considerable force there, true on so many levels

Oops, sorry, did I slap someones arse on a networking site, dear oh dear I gone and done it again, tsk tsk......

[avgas]

It doesn't matter how many guns you have - you're fucked without ammo.

Dunno.
Wise person said to me once.
"You can achieve a lot with good nature and a smile. You can achieve a fuckload more with gun and smile"
Ammo is for amateurs.

[Scuba_Steve]

The fact of the matter is.......

It doesn't matter how many guns you have - you're fucked without ammo.

you never heard of the "pistol whip", "Butt stroke", "Slash and thrust" or at the least intimidation???

[NONONO]

you need to have 3 words like Katman's Kampaign for Karefulness this way people can easily remember it in an acronym, the "KKK" people are sure to remember that

I can see the T Shirt.
On the front, reminiscent of something recent;
"I'm a Kat Person".
On the back "IT'S ALL MY OWN FAULT".

[Katman]

you never heard of the "pistol whip", "Butt stroke", "Slash and thrust" or at the least intimidation???

Word of warning.......

Don't expect pistol whipping, butt stroking, or slashing and thrusting to save your arse if the opposition has guns and ammunition.

[GrayWolf]

you never heard of the "pistol whip", "Butt stroke", "Slash and thrust" or at the least intimidation???

LMFAO have to admit Steve you are right, "BUTT STROKING" would get you a long way with some polititians..... Are you volunteering?

[Maha]

LMFAO have to admit Steve you are right, "BUTT STROKING" would get you a long way with some polititians..... Are you volunteering?

Butt Stroking/Arse Slapping/Head Patting....they all lead to the same conclusion....none of which will amount to an ounce of good.
Translation = Kept at arms length

Did I forget Ego Pumping?