Safer Journeys for Motorcycling

[StoneY]

Get over yourself ya tosser.

You can talk .... all your posts are pathetic.

If the letters and shit you've been writing use the same skills as your KB postings, they've simply been binned anyway.

Riffer does more work for the riders on these pages than almost anyone here.
next time you pull a motorcycle into a parking space at the curb side in Wellington, say 'Thanks Riffer'

Your an arrogant fuckwit Brian407, and a perfect example of the hot air generators we see in KB forums all the time.

[Brian407]

You can talk .... all your posts are pathetic.

If the letters and shit you've been writing use the same skills as your KB postings, they've simply been binned anyway.

Riffer does more work for the riders on these pages than almost anyone here.
next time you pull a motorcycle into a parking space at the curb side in Wellington, say 'Thanks Riffer'

Your an arrogant fuckwit Brian407, and a perfect example of the hot air generators we see in KB forums all the time.

Oh Pleeeaaasse... cry me a river... parking spaces in Wellington FFS. Whoopee. Next time i'm in Wellington (next week on business actually) I'll be sure to check one out. Funny thing is though, i'm pretty fucken sure we have parking spaces here too. Who should I thank for those.

I'm not decrying the work of others, dont doubt that there are some hard working people out there, but this whole idea of uniting all motorcyclists in a common cause is simply a joke. It's never going to happen, so why the fuck expend resources and time into an idea that you know wont work.

Change the focus. Said it at the start, still saying it now. Start working WITH these people instead of against them and you might make MORE progress, and a lot quicker than you think.

I'm not asking anybody what to do about it, not riffer, not mrtrs, not you, not anybody. I know what needs done, and im doing my bit.

This whole mentality that 'they're out to get us' is bullshit, and the focus on trying to 'stop them getting us' is exactly why they will 'get us'.

WAKE UP FFS.

[avgas]

Just checking. But has anyone successfully fixed the new ACC levy problem by writing/emails/meetings with them or the Govt?

I hear that Santa dude delivers. Try him.

As for the building a fence. No amount of meetings/emails or letters builds a fence. Either you build a fence, or you make someone else build a fence to save face. Private correspondence gets f-all done.

[MSTRS:Me]

...a bunch of blow hards beating their chests, and posturing ...

[Brian407]

Private correspondence gets f-all done.

Depends entirely on who you're 'privately corresponding' with mate. There's more deals done over a beer or a cab sav in Molesworth street than there ever is in Parliment.

[StoneY]

I'm not decrying the work of others,

You should start reading what you write dickhead, its EXACTLY what you've been doing.....

Change the focus. Said it at the start, still saying it now. Start working WITH these people instead of against them and you might make MORE progress, and a lot quicker than you think.

What do you think BRONZ has been doing these last 2 and a half years?

Since the BIKOI we have been on several regional road safety committee's in Wellington, I was on the MOTO NZ (MSAC) and the steering group that formed it until Morgan got annoyed with me using Kiwibiker to communicate with the people on here,
The other regional BRONZ groups work tirelessly with their local councils, ACC representatives, training organizations and Police, etc etc.
Is THAT working WITH the authorities enough for you ya ignoramus muppet?

As before moron, walk a mile in the shoes of Riffer, or the MAG reps or the WIMA girls before mouthing off on this forum.
And while you may not give a toss about parking your motorcycle in Wellington city, 4,300+ signatories on Riffers e-petition sure did pal.

[Brian407]

You should start reading what you write dickhead, its EXACTLY what you've been doing.....



What do you think BRONZ has been doing these last 2 and a half years?

Since the BIKOI we have been on several regional road safety committee's in Wellington, I was on the MOTO NZ (MSAC) and the steering group that formed it until Morgan got annoyed with me using Kiwibiker to communicate with the people on here,
The other regional BRONZ groups work tirelessly with their local councils, ACC representatives, training organizations and Police, etc etc.
Is THAT working WITH the authorities enough for you ya ignoramus muppet?

As before moron, walk a mile in the shoes of Riffer, or the MAG reps or the WIMA girls before mouthing off on this forum.
And while you may not give a toss about parking your motorcycle in Wellington city, 4,300+ signatories on Riffers e-petition sure did pal.

Ooohhhh, I'm impressed. Sounds to me like you need a medal. Got a chest to pin it on?

4300 signatures on petition for some parking spaces. Whooppeee. Fairly insignificant issue in the greater scheme of things wouldnt you say. Scoring a concession from a local council is hardly a win. Put anything free on the table for anybody and of course you're going to get support for it.

All these groups doing stuff is great, but isnt it time they learned to play together, instead of against each other. Most of these groups are started by the disgruntled former members of other groups in the first place, becasue they felt they wernt being heard. Harldy a great platform to start from, is it?

Now really impress me and get a consensus from all the groups.

And then work on licences that are harder to get and easier to lose.

Oh, and BTW, I've been a member of BRONZ since the 80's.

[blue rider]

You are a Kat person.

not really, really, the brian407 person uses way more words....actually he is writing novellas.


fact is there is an image associated with riding that has very little to do with the people that ride bikes today. To change this perception - what to do ? I don't know, I am some random female on a skinny non offensive bike....surely I am not very scary

I believe that the key to preventing accidents is education, (that word again), driver education, many hours of learning how to drive a car or motorbike before actually can start think of sitting the test. Inclusive many hours of learning the theory of how to behave in traffic, how to read traffic, how to communicate in traffic with others that also want to go somewhere.

I also believe that having to pay for the pleasure of learning how to drive/ride will add value to the license one will receive when sitting a test successfully. It then is something one has earned.

And knowing that I have to re-do the license should i behave myself like a pinhead of sorts, even sitting some "psychological assessment - idiot test' to estimate my chance of re-offending, should hopefully make one think twice before riding like nutter up and down the road scaring granny.

I also believe that 15 year old should not have a license to go on the open road, this country has enough option in transport for everyone to get everywhere if they want to. 18 is agood age, and is part of being a grown up! It might be less comfortable for the kid but seriously, little pimply kiddies riding mamas humveh teh scary!

ACC levies, why not put them on Alcohol? Why not, drink driving , family violence , bar brawl -, drunk falling into a ditch and so on and so on.

We should be able to agree that Alcohol is the cause of many if not most accidents costing the country mega dollars every year..
However I assume that the Mates of the glorious Leader The Key would disagree to such a change.

[Katman]

not really, really, the brian407 person uses way more words....actually he is writing novellas.

Yes, experience has taught me that words of one syllable have a greater chance of being understood on this site.

[MSTRS:Me]

4300 signatures on petition for some parking spaces. Whooppeee. Fairly insignificant issue in the greater scheme of things wouldnt you say. Scoring a concession from a local council is hardly a win. Put anything free on the table for anybody and of course you're going to get support for it.

Your lacy panties are showing, you silly prat.
How about doing a little research on the parking for motorcycles issue in Welly. Not insignificant for those who work there.

[yungatart]

Ooohhhh, I'm impressed. Sounds to me like you need a medal. Got a chest to pin it on?

4300 signatures on petition for some parking spaces. Whooppeee. Fairly insignificant issue in the greater scheme of things wouldnt you say. Scoring a concession from a local council is hardly a win. Put anything free on the table for anybody and of course you're going to get support for it.

All these groups doing stuff is great, but isnt it time they learned to play together, instead of against each other. Most of these groups are started by the disgruntled former members of other groups in the first place, becasue they felt they wernt being heard. Harldy a great platform to start from, is it?

Now really impress me and get a consensus from all the groups.

And then work on licences that are harder to get and easier to lose.

Oh, and BTW, I've been a member of BRONZ since the 80's.

Listen up, big boy...

You come on here insulting the intelligence of others, putting down their efforts, being obnoxious, sarcastic and downright ugly. You've only been here 5 minutes. Who on earth do you think you are?

We are sick of you and your namby pamby whining. You claim that you have done this, that and the other for the benefit of all riders...show us some proof. Everybody knows what StoneY, Riffer, Mstrs and co have done and continue to do for motorcyclists.
And being a member of BRONZ isn't enough (do you want a medal for that, or would you prefer a puffed up pigeon chest to pin it on?)...are you on the committee? Do you put your hand up when there is work to be done? I doubt it.

Why don't you just piss off like you keep saying you will, and come back when you've grown a pair...actually grow a vagina, cos they can take a real pounding.

[Owl]

actually grow a vagina, cos they can take a real pounding.

Wow!

[Brian407]

Listen up, big boy...

You come on here insulting the intelligence of others, putting down their efforts, being obnoxious, sarcastic and downright ugly. You've only been here 5 minutes. Who on earth do you think you are?

We are sick of you and your namby pamby whining. You claim that you have done this, that and the other for the benefit of all riders...show us some proof. Everybody knows what StoneY, Riffer, Mstrs and co have done and continue to do for motorcyclists.
And being a member of BRONZ isn't enough (do you want a medal for that, or would you prefer a puffed up pigeon chest to pin it on?)...are you on the committee? Do you put your hand up when there is work to be done? I doubt it.

Why don't you just piss off like you keep saying you will, and come back when you've grown a pair...actually grow a vagina, cos they can take a real pounding.

Now THAT sounds like ruffled panties to me.

[trustme]

Ho Hum , another thread reduced to a bitch slap.

Get it back on track.

[avgas]

Depends entirely on who you're 'privately corresponding' with mate. There's more deals done over a beer or a cab sav in Molesworth street than there ever is in Parliment.

You're not wrong.
That's called Negotiating.
To Negotiate we have to have something to offer. The only way I see that happening is either a) we take something away they take for granted or b) we come up with something new that they want/need.

As you can see I have "built a few fences" in the past. So when I say "we're fucked" I don't do so light-heartedly.
Either we attack back with 'a'.........unless someone can come up with a genuine 'b'.
Neither a nor b happens with paper work.