2004 ZX12R

[John]

Coulda sworn I heard you complain your were short of cash recently. Did you win lotto? But more seriously, going from a 250cc to a 1200cc is a pretty big leap don't you think?

enough of this its of no importance why I MIGHT be getting it.

[John]

Got one in our garge. 2000 model as in unrestricted chip.

I have never ridden it as I can't get my leg over. Well, OK I can but I can't reach the ground with both feet. (my CBR is low to accommodate my leg reach). Which is probably one of the main reasons my hubby loves it. There is no chance that I could take it out for a spin.

It is not made for a pillion though I have been on the back.

Apparently it has its own little foibles and that makes it "interesting". Make sure you have very decent rubber on the road, you are gonna need it.

He has a custom paint job purple,with the decals in silver, and the wheels polished silver.

It is great to follow (legally still only goes at 100k on the motorway) because it gets some major looks and double takes.

Thanks for that info, they certainly are a heavyweight !

[Motoracer]

Well, from my experience, I'd say no matter what the deal is, it ain't a wise move by any means if you really did just come from a 250... but it's your money and your life so ultimatly it's up to you. I was gunna bitch about this before, but I thought you could be some hot shot ex racer dude, pissing about with a 250 for the time being and finally had some $$ to move back up to a big bike again, so I kept my trap shut.

I could easily write an essay that would go for pages and pages backed up by more than valid points of why it would not very bright to take such a big leap, but you might not read all that so I won't bother.

Good luck and take care (lots of it!!!!!).

Regarding real life opinion on a ZX-12R, PM Death_Inc. Seriously! He is probably one of the very few people out there who has ridden one to it's limits so he'd know what's what about the 12.

[John]

Well, from my experience, I'd say no matter what the deal is, it ain't a wise move by any means if you really did just come from a 250... but it's your money and your life so ultimatly it's up to you. I was gunna bitch about this before, but I thought you could be some hot shot ex racer dude, pissing about with a 250 for the time being and finally had some $$ to move back up to a big bike again, so I kept my trap shut.

I could easily write an essay that would go for pages and pages backed up by more than valid points of why it would not very bright to take such a big leap, but you might not read all that so I won't bother.

Good luck and take care (lots of it!!!!!).

Regarding real life opinion on a ZX-12R, PM Death_Inc. Seriously! He is probably one of the very few people out there who has ridden one to it's limits so he'd know what's what about the 12.

Cool thanks, for that MR - Yes I am aware of the risks, But lifes full of them - I feel confident on the 12R so I am going for it, I will try talk to Death about it later.

Cheers.

[Waylander]

If you can afford it and think you can handle it then go for it. Would make it easier on ya when you finnaly do get your full. Just realize that some of us do care if you go out and get yourself killed on it.

[John]

If you can afford it and think you can handle it then go for it. Would make it easier on ya when you finnaly do get your full. Just realize that some of us do care if you go out and get yourself killed on it.

Yea but I'm youth so its best if I'm dead

[Waylander]

Yea but I'm youth so its best if I'm dead

Heh ok then just imagine the waste you'll make of that bike.

[John]

Heh ok then just imagine the waste you'll make of that bike.

I'll take it with me to hell

[Sensei]

I think Death's one is still for sale .Talked to him about them as I was looking at buying one but after riding one thought not for me . Very fast like a Busha Busha felt alitle more stable . But that only me . Still look very Kool in Black . They did have Clutch trouble Eg Slipping & breaking baskets but they should have gotten this sorted by now . Try before you buy . Know 3 people that were going to buy a ZX12R but ended up with a GSXR1300R Busha . Speed is great till you have to stop !

[SixPackBack]

Yea but I'm youth so its best if I'm dead

You owe me a drink before you kill yourself.....and yes we care!

[SixPackBack]

Bbbbbbbaaaaahhhhhhh and i was just begining to warm to you JOHN BOY....me and my furry fanny........

[Motoracer]

Fuck... I hate playing the sensible "dad" role but when you say you are confident, that scares me even more... I hope you don't mean that you know what you are in for cause I really don't think you do (if you haven't ridden big bikes before). Your best bet is to respect the bike like your mother for a very long time... Once you get comfy then you can treat her like your girlfriend... Errr, that transition sounds pretty gross! But you know what I mean right?!

I've been there. I was riding a 400 and I had ridden a couple of them for 2 years. I loved R1s more than anything and the oppertunity came along to buy one. Luckily I didn't, with the help of some great advises from mates. After having a much clearer view now from all the experience I gained over the years, I just am thankful now to all the people who told me not to buy it then.

It's not as simple or as black and white as living or dieing man... If you are not THAT rich and are spending a significant ammount of money for this 12. It is going to really suck when or if you crash. You already know this risk but I've been through peoples lives who actually have to deal with this shit and most of the time it makes them give up cause of the financial burdern.

Even if you are rich as fuck, that doesn't help much either. You can replace the bike no worries but I have a mate my age who can barely walk (he probably never will be able to) cause of not taking things slowly (I think that's the reason behind it anyway). He's half paralised and no mater how much money he's got, he's not going to be normal again. When you die, that's it. Story finishes... But what if you live on to be a fuken vegetable. There will be nothing worst than that. Even if you die or become a vegetable, the effect that will on your loved once will be still just as fuked up...

Anywho... There so many things you can not predict about bikes and you only learn about them with more and more experience. The bigger the bike the more unforgiving they are. When Death_Inc ran in too hot for corners on his ZX12, he'd step on the rear brake like a MX bike, chuck it sideways and pin the throttle as the bike corrected it self. Now that's no MX bike, that's a 200+KGs motha F'n beast!!! However with his extensive experience and skills he was able to and he will be able to come away from situations like this, without a hitch. What would you have done? There is NO WAY in hell you could apply your 250 skills to come out of this one cause let me tell you my friend. That 100+Kgs extra on that bike will make more difference than you possibly can imagine (if you haven't ridden bigger bikes that is). I know you said you won't be going that fast but this was just an extream example. There will be many other situations that you will come across where the bike will have certain demands and if you aren't able to fullfill these demands because of the lack of experience, then you will be in for some very bad times.

Then there is always the excessive use of the throttle on high powered bikes but I don't think it's a biggie. Unless the rider is a real cabbage, most people do have the self control to use the throttle effectively even if there's pleanty of power on the tap. However for obvious reasons, you can still get into deep do do, with the instant ability to gobble up distance in meters at a rapid accelerating rate!

Like I said, I really hate playing this "dad" role but if I don't and if you do end up dead, or as a cabbage or end up without a scratch on yourself but with the bike in pieces, I'd feel guilty as fuk for not telling you this much at least, now. So I am really just telling you all this for my own selfish purpouses. That's all.

See ya lata and good luck again dude!

[mikey]

when you moving into retirement home motoracer oldman?

i say go for it, if its a hgreat oppurtunity an you like the bike.

oppurtunity will onyl hang around for so long, an if you do kill yourself well motorracer can say, "well fuck me days, i was right, i told him so, he shouldn of got a big bike bla bla wa wa" but hey who cares

im going to a 1000 for sure when i get finance approved.

always be good to pass the cunts who fly past me

[DEATH_INC.]

I had a 2000 model.Probs:Weak clutch,though ok if you don't dragrace.Vibrated shit off regularaly,ate rear tyres (2000k max on sport tyres),ate brakepads,killed steering head bearings(wheelies,would you believe...),and oddly had sand inside the frame/airbox,quite common I'm told, just cleaned it out,no probs.
Riding:where do I start....plusses: outrageously fast(over 200k in second) (especially with headers.....can gain up to 15hp just by doing this)very stable at stupid speeds on 1 wheel or 2,Better clearance/handling than a busa,faster top end too(yes I've gone 1 on 1 with a busa). Minuses:Bloody big and clumsy compared to a real sportbike,you need lotsa road to ride one of these fast.Not enough ground clearance for serious sport riding either(though still more than a bus...)mine had big scrape marks down both sides of the fairing....hard to pull up from the stupid speeds it got up to real quick,not bad brakes(you can stand it on the front with 2 fingers),just the weight and speed.Very tall seat.Suspension is too soft for serious riding too.The power is quite peaky for a 1200 as well (the busa is lots gruntier)

If you want my advice I'd stay away from it till you've got a bit more experience,the speed they accelerate is outrageous,you'll misjudge how fast you're going all the time,and can get yourself in big trouble very quickly.I did quite often,which is part of the reason I don't own it anymore.Think very seriously about this move,no-one wants to be dead.
However if you must,then I still think on the whole they're a great bike,just don't expect it to keep with a real sportbike in the twisties like I thought it would.
BTW the later models were restricted to 300k I believe,but had a lot of small improvements to both smoothness and handling,as well as even more power,but the basic package is still very similar to the original.

[Motoracer]

when you moving into retirement home motoracer oldman?

i say go for it, if its a hgreat oppurtunity an you like the bike.

oppurtunity will onyl hang around for so long, an if you do kill yourself well motorracer can say, "well fuck me days, i was right, i told him so, he shouldn of got a big bike bla bla wa wa" but hey who cares

im going to a 1000 for sure when i get finance approved.

always be good to pass the cunts who fly past me

Young Mikey, I don't expect anyone to listen to me. If they do, it will only do them good and I guess it sort of is a bonus for me. I KNOW I AM RIGHT! That's not the point... The point is that if I don't try, I'd kick my self in the future for not trying, if the unfortunate was to happen.

I've been riding bikes fast (or trying to) for the last 4 years and I have probably come across about 20+ different people who I have known in real life, go through serious crashes. So I am just speaking from experience.

Yes I am thinking a lot differently now but thats just a part of growing up I guess. Of course I am not saying don't go hard. Go fucking hard! In fact go hard or go home!!! But just make sure you don't bite more than what you can chew and just take it a step at a time and all that carry on...