Car crushing in the ODT today (13 Dec)

[Bikemad]

I know when I'm feeling tired, just like I know when I'm feeling wasted.

thats not the point though is it..........the point is when you are wasted you are deciding when you are sober enough to drive safely........your words man not mine..........and if you can not see the flaw in your logic then carry on............kill yourself........or someone else.........hey your call

[SMOKEU]

the point is when you are wasted you are deciding when you are sober enough to drive safely

The point is when you are tired you are deciding when you are alert enough to drive safely.

[Brian407]

Give it up son. All you're doing now is proving how big an idoit you really are.

"It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"

[SMOKEU]

If you've been consuming a few alcoholic beverages, at say, a party, then how do you decide when you're sober enough to drive? How do you know you're not too intoxicated to legally (or safely) drive, unless you carry a breath tester with you? You could be making that decision to drive when you're intoxicated. You might think you're sober, but you're actually not.

Although I do find that scenario very difficult to believe as someone would have to be pretty stupid if they don't even know they're wasted.

[Bikemad]

no......... when i am tired i stop driving and have a rest for twenty minutes or more till i feel i am refreshed enough and can carry on safely...........i make this decision with no mind altering substances in my bloodstream
you make the decision to drive "safely" while still under the influence of whatever substances are still in your bloodstream............big difference

[Brian407]

Hey SmokeU. Do you know what a majority is? Hopefully you've answerd yes to that, 'cause if you answered no there's no point me carrying on with this.

If you answered Yes, then you must know that the Majority of us here believe you're an idiot. Now, armed with that knowledge, why do you continually keep posting shit that serves nothing more than to reinforce that belief? Surely you cant be that stupid. Or perhaps you can be, if you genuinely believe the line you have taken.

I'm finished responding to your diatribe, as are many others by the look of things, and part with the only thing I have left to say to you.

There's none so dumb as those who wont learn!

[Virago]

Comparing idiots who txt and drive with people who go 6kmh faster than the speed limit on a straight road in good conditions is just silly.

Lol - strategically leaving out the "past a school" bit. As a hypocrite, you're a master of your craft.

Both scenarios involve law-breaking - and some risk factors. Both will result in an appropriate penalty.

Fact - you have no mandate to decide which laws are valid and which aren't - for either yourself or others.

[SMOKEU]

Lol - strategically leaving out the "past a school" bit. As a hypocrite, you're a master of your craft.

Both scenarios involve law-breaking - and some risk factors. Both will result in an appropriate penalty.

Fact - you have no mandate to decide which laws are valid and which aren't - for either yourself or others.

There are still different degrees of law breaking, sometimes with respective penalties. Eg, stealing a packet of chips from a supermarket is less serious than committing fraud by ripping off $1,000,000 from your employer.

[Bikemad]

There are still different degrees of law breaking, sometimes with respective penalties. Eg, stealing a packet of chips from a supermarket is less serious than committing fraud by ripping off $1,000,000 from your employer.

tell it to the judge mate

I'm finished responding to your diatribe, as are many others by the look of things, and part with the only thing I have left to say to you.

There's none so dumb as those who wont learn!

wot he said......
Smokeu.............you are the weakist link.............goodbye

[Flip]

There are still different degrees of law breaking, sometimes with respective penalties. Eg, stealing a packet of chips from a supermarket is less serious than committing fraud by ripping off $1,000,000 from your employer.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make also.

[Virago]

There are still different degrees of law breaking, sometimes with respective penalties. Eg, stealing a packet of chips from a supermarket is less serious than committing fraud by ripping off $1,000,000 from your employer.

Um, correct. But what exactly is your point?

The fact that some crimes are worse than others does not excuse or negate the lesser crimes, which appears to be what you're suggesting.

[FJRider]

If you've been consuming a few alcoholic beverages, at say, a party, then how do you decide when you're sober enough to drive? How do you know you're not too intoxicated to legally (or safely) drive, unless you carry a breath tester with you? You could be making that decision to drive when you're intoxicated. You might think you're sober, but you're actually not.

Although I do find that scenario very difficult to believe as someone would have to be pretty stupid if they don't even know they're wasted.

Perhaps ... because some idiots, don't know they're idiots ...

[avgas]

Did a quick scanning of the new posts in this thread. Had a little giggle.
But alas I digress.

You are typical of your generation in that you live in a society that is so entirely safe you are able to behave in quite anti-social ways without undue consequence. The tolerance of our society is our strenght and our weakness.
As stated above, there needs to be a line in the sand and the law is that line. It doesn't always make sense and it isn't fixed in perpetuity. But it is the line.

S.C. after scanning the other posts, and then reading yours. I actually think that you have raised a bigger point than what you think you have.
Have the laws changed much in the last 50 years?
Has tolerance changed much in that time? If so who's tolerance?
Is it changing now?

While everyone is celebrating the fact that a boy racer got his car crushed, a 5 y/o girl got raped, and the crim got caught.
Now what punishment will the judge find suitable?
What punishment do the people on the street outside the courtroom want?
What is likely to happen if the crims name is made public? Will the law count for anything? Where do we draw these lines?

I don't have any answers. Only more and more questions.

[Brian407]

Whoaaa.... now were getting deep.

[GrayWolf]

If you've been consuming a few alcoholic beverages, at say, a party, then how do you decide when you're sober enough to drive? How do you know you're not too intoxicated to legally (or safely) drive, unless you carry a breath tester with you? You could be making that decision to drive when you're intoxicated. You might think you're sober, but you're actually not.

Although I do find that scenario very difficult to believe as someone would have to be pretty stupid if they don't even know they're wasted.

Simple really, as has been shown countless times on doco's, Police programs etc... even 2 pints has a noticable effect on judgement and reaction times. So the very fact you have had a 'few bevvies' at the party? IS PROOF enough you are not safe to drive, even if you consider yourself unaffected. Those 2 pints are about the legal level for alcohol (brerath test) for adults. One of the fave 'traps' in the UK the police were using was the early saturday/sunday morning breath stops... you may have stopped drinking 5-6 hrs ago, but you aint under the limit.
The logic you are using is an age old cry of the habitual drunk driver... I feel OK so I am OK to drive>> I can assure you of this, if I was at a party and see a drunk going for the car? I am the asshole who WILL phone the cops if he/she wont listen to reason. One day it could be ME they take out at a T junction.

As for not knowing if you are wasted? I have seen frequently people so intoxicated they are unable to make ANY sort of decision, so somewhere inside their brain they want to go home, they drove to the party............ From experience ONCE, I lost almost 5 hrs of my life walking only 2km's from a party to home. I didnt fall over, fall asleep etc as it was winter in the UK and the ground was covered in 'slush' and I arrived home dry and clean.... I to this day have NO IDEA of what I did or where I meandered in those hours. I did not like the idea of being THAT out of control of myself, and have never drunk to that excess since. So how could I have even been capable of making any type of logical or 'informed' decision about driving while THAT inebriated?