I hope someone is collecting these 2 cents , cos heres another one.
Racing. Its Horriffic. I wouldnt go even if it was free.
The last one I went to in NZ was Ruapuna, the weather was cold and windy, the only places to go were a truck with some drunks sitting on chairs , A pub ( whose publican was REALLY REALLY GREAT, looked after my dog while Iwatch a bit of the racing- I think cos the dog drank more beer than I did , but that was waaay nice of the fella) BUT I wouldnt take my child in there and the wife doesnt drink and a hot dog stand selling the same crap I could buy in the dairy ( I am not to keen on wallpaper paste in red stuff ( tucker Fu$$er) )
6 bikes on the start line with the same people winning. not .
I think it was 2 seven who drew the parallel with the MX scene, mom dad the kids having a family day out. You buy the bike, gear and thats it. There are races every weekend ( I assume ) its a family thing. dad tunes the bike mum makes the sandwiches, kids roar around on the bikes.
Here in Japan we have the same for race bikes , mini bikes, 80cc and now 100cc classes. These are REAL RACE BIKES. ( I am sorry but buckets while being great fun and a VERY creative class I have issues with )
when I say real race bike they are FULLY adjustable and I am not kidding when you see a 5 year old with his race face on !!! Waaaay cool on a minature race bike!
Then you progress into GP125 , then/or ST600 or GP250.
In the begining its all about mum and dad ......and to be honest my wife ( and I assume a lot of other wifes wouldnt be so keen on a overcast cold ruapuna with nothing to do other than watch things that look the same, go round in circles. ( My wife loves Motogp because rossi and Ukawa , the only 2 names she knows , look cute )
So get the familys in by providing facilities, get junior interested in racing , Then the prize money could be improved ( really 125 dollars for a national ) I got a hand towel in a club meeting that was worth more than that ! ( It was for starting the race, !)
The support seems to be there already, MNZ , motodynamics etc .
Now Paeroa, .... F#$%%^ing Fantastic. I went there once, weather was beautifull ( I know ) ... I had cold beers , ( I didnt have kids there but it seemed like there was stuff for them to do. The wife could look at the shops ( throught the window, I dare not let let her through the door otherwise she spends my valuable beer tokens.)
The grid looked full, proffesional , bright colors in other words it looked the part. My grandma likes the NZ superbikes because of the colors and they look the part , but the foggotten era she called them bikies hooning around .
With my own racing I am trying to Look profesional. the pit area , the bike , and my deportment. EVEN if I come last ( and very often do) at least I look the part.....( being professional also helps with bike setup etc )
Sorry to go off, but when I get home will modify this post with a link to the Japanese racing scene and a link to a NZ event and you can see what I mean ( If I can do it !)
Sorry chasps , but present road racing is mind numbing boring .I'ed turn up at meetings and do the decent thing, but it' s BLOODY BORING. One multi coloured bit of plastic is ahead of another multi coloured bit of plastic - or vce ceersa . I should care less ? Terminal boring. And I can't even get a decent meal let alone something I could lure Mrs Ixion along to. Sort your shit out guys, make it interesting, provide some spectator facilities and maybe we'll come.Don''t keep trading on the "we're racers so support us regardless" shit.
Originally Posted by skidmark
This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) goodies to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer
What I heard was that suzuki "sponsors" MNZ and because of this they are obliged to let the sv650's into F3. There is no other manufacturer that has a bike equivalent for that price so suzuki has a monopoly on anyone wanting to enter F3 that has a bit og $$$ and wants something new to race. Same reason why the gsxr's are cleaning up in F1 and F2 aswell.
You need to get your facts write before you start babbling total bullshit like this, I thought you were educated
You need to get your facts write before you start babbling total bullshit like this, I thought you were educated
Yeah well if you cared to look at the date the post was made you would see it was well over a year ago. I was a bit more nieve back then (compared to now) and was just repeating what other guys told me.
The past is always remembered, especially by buisness people, which there are a lot of on this board.
Sorry if I offended you K14.
We all know I have a lot to say about the racing scene in Nz, but I am an old man at the game and have nothing to loose by being straight up.
Please, any up and coming rider reading this pay attention
If you cannot post factual, positive comments about racing or companies involved in it, DO NOT SAY ANYTHING!
Some day, some where, some one will remember some thing that you may have said, whether it was said in good faith or not, and it will bight you in the arse
Shaun --No I disagree with you.
This forum is a place for people to express what they feel and what they "know' ITS BLOODY FANTASTIC.
For every K14 (sorry dude) who speaks up theres another 50 guys muttering under their breath the same thing.
By getting it into the open we can clarify the situation and Give them the correct information.
Misinformation is the worst enemy of anyone trying to achieve
Not what you say but how you say it.
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Shaun --No I disagree with you.
This forum is a place for people to express what they feel and what they "know' ITS BLOODY FANTASTIC.
For every K14 (sorry dude) who speaks up theres another 50 guys muttering under their breath the same thing.
By getting it into the open we can clarify the situation and Give them the correct information.
Misinformation is the worst enemy of anyone trying to achieve
Not what you say but how you say it.
Frosty, this forum is to do as you say, and yes it is fantastic, I am so surpriesd I knew nothing about this site untill about 6 months ago.
I may be short in stature HA HA, I am also short of time. I often just say enough to get the point accross, which is often taken to close to the heart!
If you think it is good professional practice for a good up and coming rider to make postngs that are a million miles away from the truth, I have no idea what to say to you about it.
Example
You as a car sales man
You get on a web site and start making postings based on rumour rather than fact about one of the brands that are the life line to the company you work for and see how far up the chain you get
I made my post based on lesson's I have learned along the way to get where I got with my racing, I have made a lot of big mistakes with my mouth, talking when I should have been listening! And I would hate to see any good rider like K14 be penalised in the future because of it.
Frosty, this forum is to do as you say, and yes it is fantastic, I am so surpriesd I knew nothing about this site untill about 6 months ago.
I may be short in stature HA HA, I am also short of time. I often just say enough to get the point accross, which is often taken to close to the heart!
If you think it is good professional practice for a good up and coming rider to make postngs that are a million miles away from the truth, I have no idea what to say to you about it.
Example
You as a car sales man
You get on a web site and start making postings based on rumour rather than fact about one of the brands that are the life line to the company you work for and see how far up the chain you get
I made my post based on lesson's I have learned along the way to get where I got with my racing, I have made a lot of big mistakes with my mouth, talking when I should have been listening! And I would hate to see any good rider like K14 be penalised in the future because of it.
My 2 cents again
Well, then maybe someone could come along and post the actual facts to clarify the situation? So then everyone knows, rather than people still left wondering......
I thought the SV's were introduced into F3 after Tim Gibbes ran the very successful SV series, and an allowance was made for those riders who had bought an SV, to be allowed to race it somewhere in a National class. I think F3 was going to be the only class suitable, as I don't think F2 exists anymore?
This is how I saw it, if not correct, please advise.....
Yeah well if you cared to look at the date the post was made you would see it was well over a year ago. I was a bit more nieve back then (compared to now) and was just repeating what other guys told me.
We've all got a responsibility to protect ourselves and our sport. Repeating "hearsay" of this nature does no-one any good but has the potential to do a fair amount of harm. I'm not talking about censorship or advocating muzzling derogatory comments, just think about what we are trying to acheive, what we are saying, how we are saying it and who could be reading/listening to it.
As a point to ponder: if you were Shaun and K14 was any good would you put him on an SV650?
Overseas riders con'td: back in the 70's we used to get heaps of overseas riders to the Marlboro series, and Team Kawasaki from Oz (Neville Doyle's team of (the late, great) Hansford, Perry, Sayle et al) came over here sometimes for races like Onekawa (a street race in industrial suburb of Napier, for those too young to know!)
Great days, a Linda ? After returning from 12 years in Adelaide I was surprised that a win was still only worth $120 !!! But money wasn't why we did it ! we just loved bikes and competing. That 410 production class was a great starting platform. A used (standard !!!!) RD350 for $500 , tyres that are round and black and didn't wear out in five minutes and into it !! I did that class for years and it usually paid for it'self . Main expenses were travelling and motels etc. Gaz.
The past is always remembered, especially by buisness people, which there are a lot of on this board.
Sorry if I offended you K14.
We all know I have a lot to say about the racing scene in Nz, but I am an old man at the game and have nothing to loose by being straight up.
Please, any up and coming rider reading this pay attention
If you cannot post factual, positive comments about racing or companies involved in it, DO NOT SAY ANYTHING!
Some day, some where, some one will remember some thing that you may have said, whether it was said in good faith or not, and it will bight you in the arse
Yeah no worries mate, that post was before i even had started racing so I was probably a bit nieve and gullable to post up here what i just overheard from someone who was probably biast. Bit hard for me now to take back things that i said over a year ago which could quite possibly come back to bite me in the arse. Back then I didn't have a clue on where I would be in regards to racing etc a year on. Heck, I hadn't even bought a race bike yet.
Yeah no worries mate, that post was before i even had started racing so I was probably a bit nieve and gullable to post up here what i just overheard from someone who was probably biast. Bit hard for me now to take back things that i said over a year ago which could quite possibly come back to bite me in the arse. Back then I didn't have a clue on where I would be in regards to racing etc a year on. Heck, I hadn't even bought a race bike yet.
Good on ya mate, I'll buy you a beer when your'e old enough
Hope my point of it being a small world got across anyway, even to others that will have read this, you are one a few riders that are showing real promise and dedication to there sport
now the F3 thing is something Im keen to see kept alive.
I know the guys riding 400's see it as unfair 650's (or 750's) being allowed into F3 but if F3 is to continue on into the future then we need to move with the times. there are no new or even nearly new 400cc machines coming into NZ the newest one is (i think) 1998 -so the bikes are getting old and by the nature of racebikes becoming higher maintainence.
650 twins at least are available new and nearly new -and for under 10k
The price will continue to drop as the bikes get older.
Im wondering if perhaps in the interem F3 should be split up into A and B grade -with a grade being 650 twins and MODIFIED 400/450s and B grade being stock 400s -they could start together but be 2 classes
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slowpoke/shaun --i think ya missed my point-as long as there is life there is misinformation. if its being muttered undrr peoples breath-but still firm in their minds then they cant have the truth pointed out to them.
To use youe analagy -a customer who's mates mate told him a particular model was unreliable-unless the customer says it he cant have the correct information given to him
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